I guess they just have to wait a couple thousand years for the graffiti to be a piece of history too.
Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out . There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.
> The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. They also did nothing right. Their stunt is 100% useless. > We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. Yah, that's not even remotely true. Who is making you think that? There could be disruption, people will have to change what is farmed where, people might need to move, animals will have different ranges. But human race die…
Our genetics probably won't die out. (There are a lot of us, and we're pretty resilient as a species.) But our culture? Our ideas, stories, values, history, even our technology stack? Those seem likely to be far more fragile that mere survival. I think "could be disruption" is selling it short - as a species, we've invested thousands of years into a particular pattern of fairly stable climate. Now, we're going to see that pattern change and simultaneously become less stable.
I don't think collapse of modern civilization within the next century is guaranteed, but it seems a dangerous level of possible.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering the security established around it and the knowledge of what it was, I find it hard to believe that enough photos, samples, etc, weren't taken before this vandalism to have gained or have the capacity to gain any knowledge these drawings may provide.
You'd be surprised, especially since the security wasn't as tight to keep them out. There aren't as many archeologists or anthropologists as they are other types of researchers out there.
Out of interest, is that a matter of funding (not enough Archaeologist positions) or people actually going into the discipline? (Not enough applicants for positions)
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#105I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I don't really think this is THAT big of a deal. Yea, I know the art is old and all that and it really is unfortunate but its also the nature for all things to change. Maybe in another 30k years, we'll be looking at the defacement as an amazing piece of art that tells the story of the current social climate at this point in time, or something along those lines.
You’re comparing sone kind of relativism to something that is one of the earliest depictions of human art. I think it most cases the earliest form of art versus pedestrian vandalism will be more significant, pedantry aside.
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#106Near where we live, apparently the Mormon community keeps going out and doing this. It’s becoming a major problem and is apparently leading to a lot of drama between the two communities. (My information is secondhand, but came from a national parks interpreter)
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Beyond dog whistle, what does it even mean in this context?
I suspect it’s meant to be a “don’t look behind you”, but done by foolish children so they managed to screw it up.
It’s a weird Australian idiom; “don’t look now, but there is a spider crawling up your leg”, I think from the ‘made you look’ game. Australia is full of weird idioms one of my favorite “yeah, nah” and “nah, yeah”
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#108Question for Australians here: is racism against aboriginals widespread in Australia? How does the govt work to prevent it?
Sporadic, but deep and intense where it occurs .. and often to levels not appreciated by most Australians.
On the plus side many Australians have a deep respect for Aboriginals that's a mixture of genuine, idealised, etc.
You can see working evidence of Government working to correct aspects of racism in things such as the Coronial inquest into death of an indigenous 19-year-old K.Walker at the hands of police.
The uncovering of attitudes with the Territorial police toward aboriginal people has been slow but steady with more to come next month.
Mind you, not the first inquest or royal commision into aboriginal deaths in custody and I doubt it will be the last.
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#109G'damn irresponsible teenagers ... Pilbara mining blast confirmed to have destroyed 46,000yo sites of 'staggering' significance > "Deeply troubled" traditional owners in the western Pilbara have had their worst fears confirmed after Rio Tinto detonated explosives near culturally significant sites dating back more than 46,000 years. > A Rio Tinto spokesperson said blasting in Juukan Gorge occurred over the weekend, an…
200 years from now
“God damn irresponsible past adults who destroyed the stable environment humans had relied on for hundreds of years!!”
…Anyone who is tossing technology out every few years, burning fossil fuels is doing a great bit more damage to human history than this.
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#110Let’s hope these fuckers are stupid enough to post on social media. The punishment should be 10 years, not 6 months.
10 years of a person's life for a (really stupid) childish mistake? And of course when they get out of prison there will be serious career impact that will last their entire lives. What they did is horrifying, but barbarism can't be the right answer.
Bypassing security of the type described and being oblivious to why the security is there requires a type of autonomy and narcissism that exceeds "childish mistake".