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Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#101
Maybe the whole networked thought/Zettelkasten thing is just something that's only useful for a small subset of endeavours, and more of a hindrance for most.

Niklas Luhmann became one of the most productive sociologists of the 20th century with the help of his enormous paper-based Zettelkasten. If you look at the stuff he wrote, you can see why. He ties together publications from the fields of sociology, philosophy, legal studies, psychology, biology and surely many more, literature, journalism, film... Luhmann was a prolific reader (he did few other things as far as I know) and for him, stumbling upon a connecting thought he had ten years ago while reading a newspaper after having read a specific book, might have been crucial to maintain the density of ideas in his publications.

In short, these tools are probably only useful to you if you're in the business of generating novel ideas by interlinking a lot of other ideas that people have had in new, interesting ways. (This is the best tentative description I came up with and it's probably wrong around the edges).

If you're an engineer, or indeed also a scholar in the humanities but playing a different game than Luhmann, these tools may just be useless to you. A couple of years ago when I was thinking about this a lot, I asked one of my lecturers who was a post-doc in comparative political science about his toolset. He didn't really seem to understand the question, he told me that he sometimes writes notes on books in a Word document but mostly knows what's going on in his field and where to look for what. I later took a look at his dissertation and while I'm in no position to judge the quality of his work (it was probably pretty solid, he got it published with a reputable publisher), it seemed to have fever moving parts and threads of thought tied together than the bits of Luhmann that I've read.

My impression is that what's holding the ecosystem of tools for networked thought back right now is that the tools are not built for (or possibly even by) the people for whom networked thought may be most useful. They're trying to be better task managers, tagging systems, collection managers (as mentioned in the linked article), flashcard systems, etc. "Zettelkasten" by Daniel Lüdecke (a sociologist), the software recommended in "How to Take Smart Notes" by Sönke Ahrens (himself a professor in the humanities), which is hailed as the bible of networked thought by many (Roam, Logseq, HN I guess), looks very different from these tools. It's an obscure piece of Java software, and while I've only briefly tried it out for a few minutes, it works very differently. Smaller notes, little structure within them, no titles. It has a "desk mode" where you can pull out notes and arrange them in a tree structure for when you're writing a paper or book (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIztPpFqCBw).

I would love to see what things could happen in the networked thought space if people who need these tools the most sat down with people who can write software. I have a few ideas, but I'm afraid I'm just not enough of a Luhmann to really know what these people need. Also, I would just be procrastinating actually writing my thesis (nod to the linked article :))

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#102

I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

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+1! The danger of not shipping is not that it allows you to demand purity of vision, but that it completely removes any user feedback mechanism.

And no one, no matter how brilliant, is right about 100% of things, 100% of the time. Reality is simply too complex.

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Truly Great Artists Ship, Listen, and Adapt.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#103
I am a strong believer in taking-notes so that I don't have to face a blank canvas every time I want to start a new essay.

My issue is that when I am in "the zone", I can't write. When I am very intensely focused on a topic, I am informing my internal conversation very efficiently by skimming papers. If I interrupt that with taking notes, then I am adding unnecessary friction that slows me down.

When I write notes, I feel that my ideas race ahead of my typing speed, and my working memory is not large enough to keep these ideas in a buffer. This is an issue I have had my whole life but only recently noticed it is an impediment and only now can I describe it.

All that being said, even if this wasn't an issue, there's a trade-off between how quickly you move across text and how much of it you store on notes. There's an optimal point, of course, and this can be raised with technology, focus, and practice.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#104

I am a strong believer in taking-notes so that I don't have to face a blank canvas every time I want to start a new essay. My issue is that when I am in "the zone", I can't write. When I am very intensely focused on a topic, I am informing my internal conversation very efficiently by skimming papers. If I interrupt that with taking notes, then I am adding unnecessary friction that slows me down. When I write notes, I…

Try taking them on paper. That may reduce the friction dramatically and keep you in the zone.

I take all my notes on paper. Then at the end of the day I put them into the computer. For some notes, that means writing a little more than I had put on paper. For other notes, it means they don't deserve the transition.

A big change for me was not to curate the notes beyond the above. That is, I have a huge emacs file and just use search to find things of interest or relevance.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#105
Yup. The unbundling is so key. I find that -- ironically -- lately, despite the proliferation of tools like this, they're just like the sirens in the myths, and if I tie myself to the boat and just use what I use (zim-wiki in my case, YMMV) and just force myself to spend time there, I'm actually doing the work/fun that's most fulfilling.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#106
post #64

> Pointlessness of Organization: my Calibre and Zotero libraries are a mess. But is that bad? Is there any point to organizing them? I can always find what I need, either by searching or browsing, because I have a spatial sense of where each book is in Calibre’s big grid view. If I went through everything in Calibre and Zotero, and fixed the titles, added missing authors, publishers, publication years, fixed the cove…

For sure. I get the appeal of Having Everything Organized. It's conceptually compelling. But I think the right way to look at it is in terms of minimizing total cost of retrieval and filing. As an example, take physical paper. Receipts, bills, anything that ends up in one's mailbox and doesn't immediately get recycled. I used to oscillate between two approaches: over-elaborate filing systems and just ignoring the pro…

I have been handling physical organization by prioritizing filing. My reasoning is that if the house is a mess, filing isn't keeping up with retrieval, and I need to reduce friction on filing, because dealing with the mess is consuming more time than inefficient retrieval.

For paper, I don't have much trouble. Things go on the fridge if I will need them soon, or in one small sterilite plastic file box. It's nowhere near half full and I would not be surprised if it lasts 10+ years before I need any more storage for paper.

As an experiment I've been working on sorting things by category in a more general way, like the dewey decimal system rather than true categories, to remove the overhead of half full containers used to sort things. They're based on observation of what was already stored vaguely together rather than starting with an idea.

One common category is BAM, bulk artificial material. This includes paper towels, laundry soap, paint, water repellant spray, etc.

Another is TAM, tapes attachments and materials, containing tape, steel wire, foam, webbing, carabiners, key split rings, screws, and all similar things often having to do with either attaching things together or long things sold by the foot.

With wider categories I have fewer places to memorize, and organization within a category isn't that critical because they can be rummage-searched, without the overhead of a buch of individual drawers or boxes in some ever evolving system. It's just a formalization of random boxes of junk.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#108
I like the idea of a second brain or similar because writing helps me to think. If I start writing (instead of free thought), I more systematically explore something. This is useful for any type of rational thought that spans an even slightly complex space.

Some are good enough at operationalizing information and thinking more systematically without tools. They don't need these tools, but may get stimulated by using/maintaining them.

The problem is that these tools are sold as a way to level up. Instead, these tools are a crutch for most, self-fulfilling meticulousness for some, and a game changer for still others.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#109
So he is Ok with unbundling everything but collections. What is a collection? What makes todos and contacts special, but not, say, movies or books ? I don't think The line is so clear cut.

He has a point though: We need better "generic no-code" Database software. Some features of calibre (like the hierarchical tags) make me wish I could use it for many other types (and it does not work well). The same for Zotero (and I was more successful in turning it into a bookmarks manager and even a simple movie catalogue)

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#110

A side note, but is anyone else experiencing a font size so large as to make it almost unreadable? Viewing it on my laptop, the CSS font size is set to 2 rem, which means each letter takes up four times as much space as default body text (which is 1 rem, usually 16 px -- so this is 32 px size). Even worse, if you zoom out, it detects that and compensates by setting it to 2.5 rem (40 px), or over 6 times as large in a…

I need to allocate time to fixing the font sizes. I suppose you're on a high-DPI/retina screen. It's not great.
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