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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by nequo »

bink wrote: post #41
tambourine_man wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no interesting comparison to be made, really. Both are rich CEOs, I guess. That’s it.

I think some people are drawn to this video because they want others to think that Jobs made big changes that were painful and he was very successful, therefore when Musk makes big changes that are painful he will also be successful. I disagree and think the similarities are only superficial, but I can see why some might think that.

I also disagree with this. This implicitly assumes that anyone who makes big changes that are painful will be successful. But this is manifestly untrue.

A big difference in what Jobs did and what Musk is doing is that Musk has fired people at Twitter pretty much indiscriminately. Jobs had a clear idea for a working product line. He brought NeXTSTEP with him to Apple, along with NeXT engineers. And he kept those teams that worked in critical areas.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

tambourine_man wrote: post #28
rwbt wrote: post #15

I can't believe people compare Jobs with Musk. Jobs was so much better put together in public and seems like he can still be very coherent and persuasive even when angry (likely in this video) and insulted in public.

There’s no interesting comparison to be made, really. Both are rich CEOs, I guess. That’s it.

i think elon has tried to emulate the superficial aspects of steve jobs presentation style, albeit very unconvincingly

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by grecy »

roeles wrote: post #91
grecy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Jobs quoted Gretzky more than once too: "Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been" - Wayne Gretzky

Alan Kay has explained this quote a bit, which I thought was insightful. It's not about tracking the Puck. It's about seeing the big picture and positioning yourself such that it will be passed to you.

I think it's also about designing and selling a touch-screen phone when nobody knew they wanted one instead of making a slightly better phone with buttons.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by carbocation »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #94

> “some people who don’t know what they’re talking about” That was for the guy who asked the question. I love how Jobs had that elegant way of being an asshole back to those that deserved it, and in such a subtle way you hardly noticed him actually being an asshole.

It's actually perfect, because I don't know if he's occupying the vantage of the questioner and referring to himself from their perspective (which is how I interpreted it) or the way you interpreted it. Perhaps both are intended.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

remote_phone wrote: post #61
rwbt wrote: post #15

I can't believe people compare Jobs with Musk. Jobs was so much better put together in public and seems like he can still be very coherent and persuasive even when angry (likely in this video) and insulted in public.

Steve Jobs was a tyrant being closed doors and would often cry in meetings. This sounds very similar to Musk. Musk is undoubtably a genius, you can’t discount the success that Tesla and SpaceX have had. He’s just extremely heavy-handed and capricious. I heard from someone at Tesla that they loathe being in meetings with him because he will literally fire people on the spot. That type of arrogance did play during the…

mike lindell is a genius, you cant discount the success he has had with my pillow

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by nverno »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #68
htag wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Go back to Elon learning, during an interview, the things Buzz Aldrin—a childhood hero of his—said about SpaceX. Is there a typo here? Can someone explain what this means in slightly different words? I've love to hear what Buzz Aldrin has to say about Elon Musk, but I just can't parse this phrase.

Native speaker here! Parsing backwards: Buzz Aldrin said (implicitly negative) things about SpaceX. Elon heard the comments he made for the first time during a recorded interview. Elon (implicitly) reacted in a negative/foolish way during the interview, because he idolised Aldrin as a child and was upset to hear these comments.

> Elon (implicitly) reacted in a negative/foolish

He just looks very sad, to the point of fighting back tears. What was the negative/foolish part? (was it a different interview than the 60 minutes one linked above?)

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by rowanG077 »

rwbt wrote: post #15

I can't believe people compare Jobs with Musk. Jobs was so much better put together in public and seems like he can still be very coherent and persuasive even when angry (likely in this video) and insulted in public.

Much better put together? The guy who publicly threw away his life and then used his considerable funds to cheat the line of transplants and then died anyway. Musk is definitely not as well spoken as Jobs, but Jobs has Musk beat on the level of insanity by that alone.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by IAmGraydon »

22289d wrote: post #16
CharlesW wrote: post #4

That 10 second pause before he responds — 25 seconds if you don't count the reference to the famous quote, which buys him a bit more time — is amazing. What may be less well understood by people who weren't there is that he's addressing Apple employees just as much as he is Apple developers. Many Apple employees had the same question. [Source: Was at Apple at the time.] "You've got to start with the customer experien…

> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

Precisely. Crypto is a solution in search of a problem.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by IAmGraydon »

fleddr wrote: post #55
CharlesW wrote: post #4

That 10 second pause before he responds — 25 seconds if you don't count the reference to the famous quote, which buys him a bit more time — is amazing. What may be less well understood by people who weren't there is that he's addressing Apple employees just as much as he is Apple developers. Many Apple employees had the same question. [Source: Was at Apple at the time.] "You've got to start with the customer experien…

You should always pause when receiving criticism, it's a great psychological trick. Responding immediately and fiercely rewards the critic. By pausing, the critic becomes doubtful. Did I go too far? Is something really bad brewing?

Not everything has to be a manipulation tactic. I think he was just thinking about how he would respond.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by xattt »

fleddr wrote: post #55
CharlesW wrote: post #4

That 10 second pause before he responds — 25 seconds if you don't count the reference to the famous quote, which buys him a bit more time — is amazing. What may be less well understood by people who weren't there is that he's addressing Apple employees just as much as he is Apple developers. Many Apple employees had the same question. [Source: Was at Apple at the time.] "You've got to start with the customer experien…

You should always pause when receiving criticism, it's a great psychological trick. Responding immediately and fiercely rewards the critic. By pausing, the critic becomes doubtful. Did I go too far? Is something really bad brewing?

In this view, the pause was most hostile action taken by Jobs towards the person asking the question.

For people who answer like this: what goes through your mind during the pause? Are you counting in your head? Are you planning out your answer? Are you playing the question in your head?

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