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Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by bombcar »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #84
thrill wrote: post #38

FWIW, I have a few thousand hours flying jet fighters and have hit rather large birds at high speed (me, not them), and have been hit by rather large caliber bullets (I assume also at high speed). From the two videos, taken at two locations, I cannot positively id a drone. What is described as a sudden altitude change in the second video doesn't look like anything in the first video, though it's mostly blocked by the…

I'm really hoping that the times you were hit by bullets while flying in a professional capacity in a warzone... ...otherwise those noise complaints are getting extreme.

Let's just say that arguments over who gets the good jet can get a bit hot.

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Post by heliodor »

Alupis wrote: post #16
leetrout wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure which craft you are talking about flying. Hitting a drone is your worst nightmare while piloting small aircraft? Or hitting a plane is your worst nightmare when flying a drone?

> Hitting a drone is your worst nightmare while piloting small aircraft A small GA aircraft hitting a drone has a very high fatality chance, particularly in the stages of flight most likely to encounter amateur drone operators (ie. takeoff and landing).

> very high fatality chance

Really? Very high? My uneducated guess is that there's a very high chance of damage to the airplane, but not of crash landing, and certainly not of death.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by dctoedt »

Rastonbury wrote: post #43
thrill wrote: post #38

FWIW, I have a few thousand hours flying jet fighters and have hit rather large birds at high speed (me, not them), and have been hit by rather large caliber bullets (I assume also at high speed). From the two videos, taken at two locations, I cannot positively id a drone. What is described as a sudden altitude change in the second video doesn't look like anything in the first video, though it's mostly blocked by the…

Ah the casual 'my jet fighter has been hit by rather large calibre bullets'

> Ah the casual 'my jet fighter has been hit by rather large calibre bullets'

Fighter jocks invented the humblebrag. (Source: My dad was one, plus my own service aboard a Navy aircraft carrier.)

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by gregors »

bombcar wrote: post #100
K0balt wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something that many people do not understand is that an aircraft “stall” has nothing to do with the engine or propeller except possibly as a contributing factor. A stall in aircraft parlance refers to a change in airflow over the wings or control surfaces that causes the sudden or progressive loss of aerodynamic lift. This is an effect caused by the surface moving through the air at an excessive angle, so that the ai…

If anyone reading is interested in the various types of stalls and unusual attitude recoveries, you may be able to find a flight instructor at the nearest airport willing to take a flight and show you some. Beware that it will count as flight instruction and you may end up hooked and forking out $20k for a private pilot license.

tangential topic - but this stall/spin recovery training is INSANE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGtsK7vvnA

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by [deleted] »

TomSwirly wrote: post #97
akiselev wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any advice for a aspiring fighter jet pilot? (goal is to eventually fly an L39 Albatross)

Yes: refuse to participate. The US has engaged in a series of unprovoked wars for decades, killing millions of innocent people and losing almost everyone. Why would you want to participate in this sequence of genocides and war crimes?

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Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by jaywalk »

krisoft wrote: post #96
CSSer wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also kind of insulting to those of us who go out of our way to safely fly drones recreationally. More and more drones you purchase today have built-in GPS transponders. I’m notified when airplanes are nearby even at altitudes I can’t reach, and I can tell you what kind of air space I’m in easily. I’m registered with the FAA as required, and I’ve taken more safety courses than I need, mostly because I wouldn’t mi…

> GPS transponders I assume you mean ADS-B in? Is the receiver in the drone itself or in the ground station/transmitter?

Drones (generally) don't use ADS-B in or out.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by jt2190 »

stephen_g wrote: post #70

I saw a good analysis by a pilot who does this kind of formation flying (and I think who knew some of the people involved). I think this is before the preliminary NTSB report was released, so it is speculative, but his view was that there was a pretty good likelihood that the shape of the P-63 probably meant that the pilot probably lost sight of the B-17 for a decent amount of time during the turn, and that while we…

Here’s a link directly to the point in the video where he demonstrates how it’s possible for the P63 pilot to not see the B17:

https://youtu.be/C342dfNPCyg?t=351

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

vforvendettador wrote: post #2

It's tragic if it's true about the drone. It's my worst nightmare whenever I'm flying these days.

There's never been a verified fatality or even injury caused by a midair collision between a drone and a manned aircraft, as far as I know.

You're way to more likely to be killed by a midair in the pattern at an uncontrolled field than anything drone related.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by _ea1k »

ghastmaster wrote: post #80

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. There are multiple video angles of this if you do the research. Dan Gryder has done some research and has come to a very logical conclusion. General aviation is his forte. Check out his analysis: https://youtu.be/prk0j8cveYY?t=1352 Basically, it appears that the organizer/commander instructed the p-63f to take the 500ft path (distance from the crowd) and the b-17g to move to 1000ft distance…

I hadn't heard that detail, but that's baffling. Why would they think crossing paths at the same altitude and without the other traffic in sight is a good idea?

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Post by bombcar »

gregors wrote: post #104
bombcar wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone reading is interested in the various types of stalls and unusual attitude recoveries, you may be able to find a flight instructor at the nearest airport willing to take a flight and show you some. Beware that it will count as flight instruction and you may end up hooked and forking out $20k for a private pilot license.

tangential topic - but this stall/spin recovery training is INSANE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGtsK7vvnA

Woah that almost looks like a recovery from a graveyard spiral.
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