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Re: The Twitter Files

#101

Post by fullshark »

lapcat wrote: post #85
mikkergp wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This part is weird, and it seems like there was an agreement between Musk and Matt not to smear Jack in this process. But if you really think there’s massive corruption at Twitter I don’t know how you think Jack should be absolved.

> it seems like there was an agreement between Musk and Matt not to smear Jack in this process Jack is still a part-owner of Twitter. https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-saves-elon-musk-...

That part just shows that even explosive news like this is really just PR work. Pretty much every major news story can be reduced to “who is willing to finally talk about X and what do they want to convey?”

Re: The Twitter Files

#102

Post by Waterluvian »

idlewords wrote: post #83
sva_ wrote: post #7

It seems like something like this will never hit the HN frontpage. I ponder if its really just due to the upvote/downvote + flag ratio. Edit: It seems to have been unflagged manually.

This comment illustrates why it's a good idea to prune these kinds of stories from the homepage. No one learns anything new or surprising from discussing this stuff here, at this point we could have the same political nerdfight in our sleep.

I think if your focus is on the discourse, you’re right.

But I bet you the majority of people who saw this item on the front page aren’t interested in comments and this is a form of news. To be aware that this is a thing.

Re: The Twitter Files

#103

Post by partiallypro »

Politicians should never be able to directly influence the moderation of social media items they find politically unfavorable; I don't care which party does it. I can understand something that involves direct threats/calls to violence, but that's about it. Anyone that has used Twitter for some time knows the moderation was often not all that even, not just by pure political means but also threats of violence etc were always treated differently depending on who they were aimed at.

Re: The Twitter Files

#104

Post by throwawaylinux »

Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

"people on the left" have no better than than people on the right or anybody else in this regard. When it suits them, when they believe it will advantage them, they are all for suppression of peoples' rights.

Re: The Twitter Files

#105

Post by ilyt »

mikkergp wrote: post #49
jacooper wrote: post #46

I don't follow or give attention to American politics, I don't live in America, and probably never will. But the Left bias in Social media is extremely concerning, its so apparent from the type of people who work in tech, especially in Silicon valley, that they have a Leftist bias, whether the Left or the Right are correct doesn’t matter. The issue is Social media in our time is it’s where a lot of people form opinio…

Here’s the thing thought. So far the emails show a team making a mistake, and being thoughtful about it. Trying to look to their moderation principals and disagreeing about the path forward. Then, later we know Jack and Yoel and most of the team apologized and admitted it was a mistake. If these people were all conservatives and I saw this interaction I would say the same thing. So tell me a story about principals th…

> Then, later we know Jack and Yoel and most of the team apologized and admitted it was a mistake.

Sound more like "we're sorry we got caught"

Re: The Twitter Files

#106

Post by ilyt »

cwkoss wrote: post #40
sidibe wrote: post #34

So the journalist gets access to the emails in return for promising to dribble the story on Twitter over 30 minutes? Would be a much better experience if he wrote an article or at least tweeted faster, but not as much refreshing I guess.

I'll bet you 1000 dogecoin, Elon is sitting at a computer refreshing a page of twitter metrics, giggling like a schoolboy

And probably will go "see that's why I randomly fired a bunch of people, coz they did this stuff"

Re: The Twitter Files

#107

Post by [deleted] »

Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

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Re: The Twitter Files

#108

Post by andreyk »

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat...). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy (https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/15/look-behind-n...).

It was already widely criticized at the time(https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-files-blocked-...): " Twitter subsequently reversed the decision, saying that it had updated its hacked-materials policy and would not retroactively apply it to the New York Post. Other news outlets, including the New York Times, have since reported that the laptop did in fact belong to Hunter Biden and the documents on it were authentic. Predictably, Twitter’s blocking of the Post became a rallying point for Republican politicians accusing the social network of censoring conservative viewpoints. "

So... doesn't seem like a big deal, this is just confirming what was already known?

Re: The Twitter Files

#109

Post by scifibestfi »

dekhn wrote: post #66

It's still kind of odd to think that you can be an in-favor executive at a company, then somebody else can buy your company, fire you, and go back and read all your work emails (many of which would be extremely sensitive) and share it with journalists who then screenshot it and share it with the world on the same platform that employed you! This was always a possibility (and a probability- my friend was a lawyer who…

It doesn't matter which side, because isn't the problem that the government is doing an end run around the 1st Amendment?

If you don't think so now, you might in 2024. So it's time to care now.

Re: The Twitter Files

#110

Post by Dig1t »

paulgb wrote: post #95
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

Is there a smoking gun here that points the blame to any officials representing the party, as opposed to bad decisions made by twitter employees on their own bias? I find the tweetstorm format to be not particularly coherent, and I haven’t followed the story closely enough to know who the actors are, but Ro Khanna (a Democrat) is one of the names I recognize and he seems to be against the censoring.

This one is pretty bad in my opinion:

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064

The government is not supposed to be censoring people's speech, however they are effectively doing just that using a layer of indirection.

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