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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by GameOfFrowns »

agumonkey wrote: post #46
yreg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

I'm stumped they didn't consider buying other vaccines. Maybe they don't want to be reliant on the west. They're indeed doing a mistake keep the lock strategy...

You'd think that with China's cavalier attitude towards intellectual property and trade secrets they would just copy one of the more effective mRNA vaccines and distribute it under the current Sinovax label.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by yreg »

kevingadd wrote: post #66
yreg wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just that, how many people in US already had covid and how many did in China?

You can get it more than once, though.

Yes. The question should be what's the amount of cured covid cases per capita between US and China? The difference is probably pretty big.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by skissane »

jillvs34 wrote: post #61
andybak wrote: post #43

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I'm not sure I understand. How does "lab-leak vs non-lab-leak" relate to this?

If it's a lab-leak it means the virus was potentially well studied before the leak, and it's effects known. Therefore the government could know a lot more about it than they claim.

> If it's a lab-leak it means the virus was potentially well studied before the leak, and it's effects known

Even if the lab-leak theory is true: knowing how it behaves in the laboratory (in vitro or in animal testing) doesn’t tell you much about how it will act in humans.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

j16sdiz wrote: post #37
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #20

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China already has several highly effective vaccines. The problem is that a significant fraction of elderly people don't want to get vaccinated. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore had the exact same problem with vaccine hesitancy among the elderly. It's a cultural thing.

Those "highly effective vaccines" are around 75-80% effective, compare to 90-95% for the best vaccines https://myacare.com/blog/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines

The best numbers for this come from Hong Kong, which uses both Sinovac and Biontech/Pfizer.[0]

Three doses of Sinovac are actually marginally more protective for >80-year-olds (97.9% vs 97.5% effectiveness at preventing death), though the difference is probably not statically significant.

0. Study in The Lancet Infectious Diseases: https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(22)00345-0

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by zarzavat »

yreg wrote: post #23
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

I don’t buy that. No other country was able to completely arrest the spread of COVID through lockdowns, even Australia and New Zealand which are islands surrounded by giant oceans were not able to stop the flood of infections.

China borders 14 countries. If there’s “no COVID” it’s because it’s being suppressed, with or without Beijing’s knowledge.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by ngcc_hk »

rippercushions wrote: post #50
yreg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

They do not trust the gov especially injection. Quality is not there. And if trouble they will shoot down the complaint people to “solve” the complaint.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

bananapear wrote: post #24
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

They also provided the genetic sequencing used to create the mRNA vaccines and then… didn’t use them.

Getting the sequence and using it to design a vaccine are light-years apart. We've been able to sequence genomes for decades but designing an mRNA vaccine is bleeding edge.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by ngcc_hk »

edejong wrote: post #44
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

* Mild Covid is linked to brain damage months after [1][2] * Here is a collection of threads describing all the possible negative influences COVID has on the cardiovascular system, the brain, kidneys and the autoimmune system. https://twitter.com/laurieallee/status/1521178772023652352 [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/long-covid-even-m... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5

Whatever the issue, it is goner and only viable policy is Co-existence. Not initially but now I’d different.

hence no point of zero policy. Emperor has no cloth.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by chii »

GameOfFrowns wrote: post #101
agumonkey wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm stumped they didn't consider buying other vaccines. Maybe they don't want to be reliant on the west. They're indeed doing a mistake keep the lock strategy...

You'd think that with China's cavalier attitude towards intellectual property and trade secrets they would just copy one of the more effective mRNA vaccines and distribute it under the current Sinovax label.

i do wonder how easy/hard it really is to reverse engineer a vaccine - and if it went wrong, some heads will roll. It's not like software piracy, where a perfect copy could be made.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by Altho00 »

andybak wrote: post #83
jillvs34 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a lab-leak it means the virus was potentially well studied before the leak, and it's effects known. Therefore the government could know a lot more about it than they claim.

Yes but what "knowledge" would be relevant at this stage? The virus has been through multiple rounds of mutation and has been well-studied. The amount of things that are a) possible to discern before it was released c) a surprise to the scientific community and c) is still applicable feels like it would be very small - barring sci-fi scenarios.

As someone with no deep knowledge in virology, epidemiology or even biology, I tend to agree with you. However I also understand how having the virus originating from China , maybe, or maybe not, from a lab leak, and having china so hell bent on a 0 covid policy going so far as boarding and ceiling the doors of appartment buildings might be frightening even if the virus has been well studied.

Let's say you're the head of a fancy lab with all the equipment and a team that does everything you ask gratis. You go to have lunch and get some soup. The owner comes to you with your soup and say " Here is you soup, nothing's wrong with it, just a normal, regular soup I can assured you that nobody dipper their balls in it or added anything dubious to it haha, go ahead and eat" and then turns around and yell at the kitchen staff that they better not eat the soup .

You decide not to eat the soup, you take it back with you and run every possible test on it. All the tests come back normal you can't find anything weird in it. Do you eat the soup ? More importantly do you brush the weird behavior of the owner off or do you keep wondering what the hell have they done to the soup ?

I'm not saying this is a perfect analogy but just trying to explain why some things might make us uneasy even if logic tells us we shouldn't.

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