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Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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Re: Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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Any particular brands you recommend? Is this something worthwhile for everyday wear, or this is mainly for outdoor sports enthusiasts?

I purchased a North Face jacket at their factory store in Berkeley, mid-1990s, the Gore Tex "Mountain Light" and a fleece "Denali" inner jacket. It fit me really well, for a 30-year anniversary I decided to get a new one last week. They still make the same design. The new one uses their nano-spun FutureLight fabric, rather than a three-layer nylon(?)/GoreTex sandwich. It's much more soft, like a woven fabric rather t…

The new stuff sounds great, but how durable is it?

Every time i've come across a new and improved breathable waterproofing technology recently, it comes with the significant downside that the fabric is a lot less durable. When it's raining, i wear my anorak. But when it's not raining, it's rolled up in a plastic bag and bungeed to my bike bag, or shoved into my satchel, or stuffed into a corner of my carry-on luggage. It probably does >10 hours carried for every hour worn! If a fabric can't stand up to that, sadly it doesn't matter how well it performs when i'm wearing it.

Re: Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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It's pretty popular in Germany and the name and logo is often found on outdoor clothing. I always wondered if the name is the same in English speaking countries, or if it's different because of its negative connotations. Apparently it's just a not too uncommon family name (Al Gore comes to mind) and also used as brand name in English speaking countries. People get so upset about Toot and Coq and Gimp, but Gore seems…

> People get so upset about Toot and Coq and Gimp, but Gore seems totally OK. For me (a native American English speaker) the context matters. When used in a name or as part of a longer name (e.g. Gore-TEX), it's totally okay. Actual gore can be upsetting, but the word itself is commonly used in content warnings and guides. "Gimp" is different than "Coq" or "Cox" (a popular cable provider in the U.S.) in that it's con…

I only saw it being used in context of disabled people as "being gimped", "gimp" seems to be almost always in BDSM context...

Re: Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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Not only that, but Gore will honour their “guaranteed to keep you dry” warranty. I had a Gore-Tex jacket that the manufacturer refused to replace after it delaminated about 3 years after I bought it. One call to Gore and I got the purchase price of the jacket in a prepaid credit card sent to me after sending them the jacket.

This is good to know. I bought knock-off goretex ski gear because I wanted a very specific style that only exists in a cheap brand (and I mean cheap, like $50 for jacket and pants). I was very surprised at its performance but I’ve only used it a few days so far, so no idea about the longevity.

So you can get USD50 back? Worth the hassle?

Re: Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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I didn’t know Gore-TEX was ptfe. Damn, those things last forever (like BPC). Think plastic is a problem? PTFE is way worse. Those are the microplastic we are going to find in breastmilk forever.

Yeah a lot of outdoor manufacturers have been trying to make more eco friendly waterproof gear that doesnt use PTFE. Patagonia in particular has been really trying hard to get rid of their use of them: https://www.patagonia.com/our-footprint/ptfe-polytetrafluoro... From what I understand the gear that doesn't use PTFE is unfortunately still not great or have the long term durability as goretex. Hopefully soon they'll figure out a good replacement!

Re: Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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I didn’t know Gore-TEX was ptfe. Damn, those things last forever (like BPC). Think plastic is a problem? PTFE is way worse. Those are the microplastic we are going to find in breastmilk forever.

PTFE is also used in implants specifically because it completely inert under normal conditions.

Re: Gore-TEX, a lightweight, waterproof fabric made from the expanded form of PTFE

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Gore-TEX and other waterproof breathable (WPB) membrane fabrics are ridiculously oversold to people who don't spend much time outside. The amount of breathability they offer is ludicrously low compared to something like unzipping a jacket zipper or pit vent. If you're moving at all, a WPB jacket means that you'll be drenched from the inside due to sweat, and all that water repelled by your jacket ends up on your pant…

Gore-TEX is great for shoes and gloves in the winter (near or below freezing temperatures).

It never occurred to me to get a jacket made out of it.

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