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Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by jshier »

MBCook wrote: post #40
CameronNemo wrote: post #3

Question for those in the know: are there any substantial changes from M1 to M2? I'm sure lots of tuning took place, but is there any major component that was completely overhauled?

Sort of a “spec bump+”. The biggest change, IIRC, is that the M1 was based on the A12(?) but the M2 was based on the A14(?). So the CPU/GPU design was newer. They tweaked and improved other modules like the neural engine too. So it wasn’t just clock speed, but to most end users it was just somewhat faster and more mature. Nothing special/amazing/transformative.

M1 was based on the A14 cores, the M2 is based on the A15 cores.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by psychoslave »

wtallis wrote: post #77
psychoslave wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

> The only way to shutdown the integrated screen and still have the camera usable is to duplicate the screen and diminish brightness to zero. Or use a magnet. Seriously? Can you describe what your use case for this is, because this complaint sounds truly bizarre to me. You want to use the webcam at the top of the laptop display, while not using the laptop display itself, but using a separate display (and thus presuma…

Well, I use the webcam for visio calls. So I'm not completely facing the camera usually, indeed.

I meant contextual menu. The only way to open in it in a Mac arms seems to be to use the secondary mouse button.

My bad for the paste in the terminal. I moved to an other terminal for an other reason I can't remember right now. But yeah it is the middle click in general that I miss. To be fair, Windows doesn't provide it either.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by psychoslave »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #63
psychoslave wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

> Why is there no straight forward way to browse the actual file path in Finder, when a shortcut allows to copy it? In Finder, selecting View > Show Path Bar will place a persistent path bar on each window. Additionally command clicking the proxy icon that appears when hovering over finder titlebars will open a path menu (and also works in any application with a proxy icon in its titlebar). To go to a path, select Go…

Wonderful, thank you so much. :)

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by mackrevinack »

Cannabat wrote: post #82
Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57

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I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

The X1s have great build quality compared to other non-Apple laptops, but mine didn't last but about 1.5 years of daily work use before the case itself started failing (case metal chipping and bending + keys failing, battery issues, ports failing, etc etc). On the other hand, my 2014 macbook air still looks almost new even after almost 7 years of daily use. I think it's as close as it gets, but it's still nowhere nea…

i have an x1 yoga, the one that started using usb-c ports instead of the older rectangular charging ports. ive had to buy 3 cables now, which are not cheap because they are attached to a brick, and i resoldered the cable myself twice as well, so basically 5 times ive had to replace it in the space of 2 years. ive been using thinkpads for as long as i can remember and this was never an issue for me.

i think the usb-c port is connected directly to the motherboard as well so i suppose i should be greatful that its only the cable that's been breaking. im going to sell this off soon and im pretty much done with lenovo for the foreseeable future

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by kervantas »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #86
Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57

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I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

Is there an ARM Lenovo with Linux?

x13s

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by coutego »

dagmx wrote: post #62
coutego wrote: post #43

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I'm quite sure it's just a question of what you are used to. It is for me, anyway. My first PC (~year 2000) came with Windows but I wanted to use some software that only existed for Unix at the time and I was used to work in Unix anyway, so I heard about Linux and installed it. Great, I got an OS I was used to and the software I needed for my project. When finally I had to use Windows for work a couple of years later…

You can swap cmd and ctrl in the keyboard prefs to give you more Windows/Linux like key commands. Personally I think CMD is more ergonomic but muscle memory trumps all I suppose

Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem.

The issue is not which labels keys have printed on them. I don't look at my keyboards and I always remap keys for them to be in the positions I like. That's fine and works in MacOS.

The issue is that the same application (Chrome, for example, but happens with most of them) uses the same key combinations in Windows, Linux, Chrome OS and Android (I use DeX from time to time on my S7 Tab) to do something but then decides to do something different in MacOS _without giving the user the possibility to fix it_.

Chrome example: C-w closes a tab and C-TAB changes tab in the first four OSs. In MacOS, though, it's S-w and C-TAB, respectively. There is no remapping which can fix this because the correspondence between keymappings on a given modifier key is not a bijection. The only possibility would be that each program gave the user the option to "use standard keymappings". But very few do, AFAIK. Emacs is the only one that works the same on all systems. But I also need a browser ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I'm not saying that MacOS convention is worse or better than the standard. In fact, I personally like the idea of having the CTRL-like functionality on my thumbs, rather than my pinkies, and I could migrate to this layout on all computers I use (via key remaping, in the same way that I already have remapped on all computers I use the ESC key on the place that normally CAPS is). I'm just saying that using MacOS makes me slower, both when using MacOS itself _and_ when using the other OSs, since suddenly I have to conciously decide which key combo to use. Normally this was something that just happened subconciously and didn't interrupt my flow.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by aembleton »

mackrevinack wrote: post #104
Cannabat wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The X1s have great build quality compared to other non-Apple laptops, but mine didn't last but about 1.5 years of daily work use before the case itself started failing (case metal chipping and bending + keys failing, battery issues, ports failing, etc etc). On the other hand, my 2014 macbook air still looks almost new even after almost 7 years of daily use. I think it's as close as it gets, but it's still nowhere nea…

i have an x1 yoga, the one that started using usb-c ports instead of the older rectangular charging ports. ive had to buy 3 cables now, which are not cheap because they are attached to a brick, and i resoldered the cable myself twice as well, so basically 5 times ive had to replace it in the space of 2 years. ive been using thinkpads for as long as i can remember and this was never an issue for me. i think the usb-c…

It would be easier to buy a >60w USB charging brick and a USB cable. Then you can just replace the cable next time it breaks. They're only a few £

This is how I power my Xiaomi and Macbook laptops.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by psychoslave »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
psychoslave wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

Option + arrow / cmd + arrow does exactly the same as end / home etc, if you've just not found that yet. I always find it interesting when people complain about keyboard shortcuts on macOS - but I feel exactly the same when I use anything else. macOS keyboard shortcuts are amazing and os-wide. But they're not made obvious. Its really kinda snobbish that apple just assume you know them they treat it like 'because obvi…

I went to documentation and found those, nothing to complaint about here. But muscle memory is not something you can switch right away easily in my experience. I'm OK to look at them and possibly learn them when I'll have time for this.

In the meanwhile, I wanted something that would let me focus on my work, not being distracted by basic key combination struggle every few inputs. Karabiner, which is community driven, led me to such a mostly OK situation here.

To me what is baffling is that Apple, with its ridiculously high revenue stream and all its marketing on great UX, is unable to provide that out of the box.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by sofixa »

dagmx wrote: post #70
brailsafe wrote: post #66

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I use an MS sculpt keyboard and use Karabiner to swap the keys.

You can swap them in the system preferences without needing extra software. At least for the modifier keys

That doesn't work for key combinations such as Cmd+Tab (which only switches between applications, but not between windows of the same application) and Cmd+` (which switches between windows of the same application), you have to change them too, and some of them flat out aren't configurable out of the box, requiring third party software.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by psychoslave »

tambourine_man wrote: post #98
breakfastduck wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option + arrow / cmd + arrow does exactly the same as end / home etc, if you've just not found that yet. I always find it interesting when people complain about keyboard shortcuts on macOS - but I feel exactly the same when I use anything else. macOS keyboard shortcuts are amazing and os-wide. But they're not made obvious. Its really kinda snobbish that apple just assume you know them they treat it like 'because obvi…

They aren't obvious on Windows either, are they? Keyboard shortcuts are mostly a pro user thing. And don’t get me started on the way that OS inserts special keys. How do you insert ® on Windows? Alt-01whoCanRemember? On the Mac it’s usually something that makes sense like Option + R. Ç? Option-C. ƒ? You guessed it.

>They aren't obvious on Windows either, are they?

No, of course. But the gap between linux and windows for that matter is really smaller, thus my surprise. All the more with the way Apple is marketed as so great in ergonomics.

>Keyboard shortcuts are mostly a pro user thing.

Sure, I would not use a Mac had my employer not provided it. Like many coders out there I guess. But Apple is not willing to pay attention to the adoption ease for this population it seems. Or at least, it doesn't feel like this to me.

>And don’t get me started on the way that OS inserts special keys. How do you insert ® on Windows?

I use a bépo layout everywhere, with it the answer is obvious. It comes out of the box in linux distros. Mac and Windows require third party installation. The Mac one is a bit less functional/buggy. The worst issue being that my IDE won't recognize the combination for underscore. It's more a responsibility of IDE producer here certainly. But still, it makes the Mac UX far less pleasant from a dev point of view.

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