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Re: Last.fm turns 20

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I've got high compatibility with carldr. https://www.last.fm/user/xn

You signed up to last.fm (well, audioscrobbler) two days after I did in 2005. I’ve followed you there, I’ll trawl through your top tracks tomorrow. I’m surprised/happy to see iLiKETRAINS as your top track.

Music geeks might appreciate this. I recently made a CD wall of my most-scrobbled albums: https://photos.app.goo.gl/GkXKM1FpmsqwzALP7

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I had always assumed that recommendation algorithms didn't work on genres, but instead did a lookup based on something like: "You like X" "Person Y also likes X" "Person Y also likes Z" "I should recommended Z to you" (proportional to the number of people there are who liked X and Z, compared to other options) If this is the case (and perhaps I'm wrong), it's nothing to do with the algorithm not understanding the sub…

That's the way music-map.com works, and it is absolutely fantastic. But no, that is NOT the way these other services recommend things. Spotify, for example, recommends music that it thinks is related, but not necessarily liked by both groups of people. For example, a person who likes Black Sabbath, and really technical instrumental metal, probably doesn't like the comparatively simpler slipknot. While some people who…

> For example, a person who likes Black Sabbath, and really technical instrumental metal, probably doesn't like the comparatively simpler slipknot

That's just thinly disguised metal snobbery. Almost all metalheads adore Black Sabbath, because they wrote fantastic songs. Sabbath's music caught on because it's so accessible. They were certainly good musicians, but by no means anywhere near the top of the Technical Sophistication Food Chain.

I myself am a cretin, and thus have little patience for technically advanced music, but I'm happy to accommodate a vast world of music where everyone finds something they like, so I'm not going to denigrate anybody's favorite Super Technical Metal Band with twin guitar solos and the 75-piece drum kit - it's all good to somebody. But you've gotta be kidding if you think Sabbath is that kind of act.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had always assumed that recommendation algorithms didn't work on genres, but instead did a lookup based on something like: "You like X" "Person Y also likes X" "Person Y also likes Z" "I should recommended Z to you" (proportional to the number of people there are who liked X and Z, compared to other options) If this is the case (and perhaps I'm wrong), it's nothing to do with the algorithm not understanding the sub…

> It's not that the algo is any worse than human recommendations, it's just that it's an average of all humans likes, which will never fit your exact personal unique preferences because they aren't you. But that is a difference though, because humans possess empathy: algorithms don't. Step away from music for a second and consider movies: if all your algorithm does is recommend movies because Person X likes Movies 1,…

That’s not really true at all. Graph algorithms can look at the movies you like and find other people that have uncommonly common movie likes as well and find a movie to recommend based on this. You avoid just recommending movies that are generally popular across all users.

For instance, if someone likes “”Caddy Shack” it isn’t too difficult to recommend “Space Balls” for example and not “Schindlers List”, even though everyone likes that movie. But “Space Balls” would stick out amongst the population of people that like “Caddy Shack” vs the population as a whole.

No meta data is required. Just preferences over a large set of users.

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Still use last.fm. Most "You might like this" algorithms go straight for the low-hanging fruit, and often fail to take any kind of nuance into account. I can't tell you how many of the streaming services will see my Black Sabbath play history and immediately recommend, "If you like Black Sabbath, you should love...Slipknot!" But I've never had a real person make that mistake, because a real person who looks at my las…

I preferred Pandora (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project) over last.fm, specifically because I thought they had better curation / recommendations.

Spotify and Youtube Music are pretty crappy though. It’s like we’re going backwards.

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I discovered so much music through last.fm back in the day. There were so many obscure and weird bands to find in their «Related artists» and whole genres I feel I’d never have heard of if not for last.fm

It’s funny because you learn your unique music tastes are actually common enough that a genre emerges where things you’ll like will be recommended.

It’s nice to fill gaps or deep cuts in a more obscure style you like.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

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Still use Last.fm. Great service and a nice API to boot if you're wanting to make anything music-y. Integrates nicely into Spotify for playback statistics. Shame it's pretty much on life-support now and any new features seem to behind a paywall.

The API is nice as an end user and it's super easy to integrate it with lots of things, but working with it as a developer not so much. The latest version is pretty RESTful, but the previous API versions that lots of things still use (since it sounds like Last.fm will allow you to keep using it forever even though it's deprecated) are pretty painful.

However, one pain point with all versions of the API is lack of full HTTPS. I've always been really confused why I'd still see HTTP traffic to the Scrobbling API despite giving it an HTTPS scrobbling URL, and what I found is that you authenticate over HTTPS to get a token, but then the API returns a submission URL that's always plaintext HTTP.

I believe you can still send it over HTTPS by rewriting the URL, and I know that this API was designed before the ubiquity of HTTPS, but it's absurd to keep doing this HTTPS --> HTTP redirect in 2022. Even 3rd party scrobbling services like libre.fm copy this behavior. When API docs give you a primary endpoint of a plantext HTTP URL, that's a huge red flag.

https://www.last.fm/api/intro

However, I do still love last.fm and still try to obsessively scrobble everything I'm listening to since I've discovered a lot of my favorite bands that way, and it's a great way to get recommendations of live music if you're ever traveling somewhere. I think the paywall has been there for a while, but I'm definitely guilty of not supporting it enough despite how much value I've gotten from it over the years.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You signed up to last.fm (well, audioscrobbler) two days after I did in 2005. I’ve followed you there, I’ll trawl through your top tracks tomorrow. I’m surprised/happy to see iLiKETRAINS as your top track.

Music geeks might appreciate this. I recently made a CD wall of my most-scrobbled albums: https://photos.app.goo.gl/GkXKM1FpmsqwzALP7

I’d like to shake you by the six hands, love that.

Re: Last.fm turns 20

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As someone who likes a lot of music that isn't exactly mainstream and not popular at all in social circle, that site was a one of the best things I ever found on the Internet.

Happy Birthday!

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Last.fm (and the sadly defunct what.cd) have shaped my taste in music beyond what I could ever imagine: I have discovered a massive amount of amazing musicians through these recommendations; something I feel Spotify has never really been able to achieve, even after a decade+ of use. Scrobbling has almost become a religion to me, to the point I found solutions to scrobble my Vinyl listening and consider scrobbling cap…

I wanted to write exactly the same things you wrote, except I have only been on Spotify for 3 years now.

I assume you use the Discogs app for scrobbling your vinyl? I was really pleasantly surprised when I found that feature :)

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