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Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by happytoexplain »

polished85 wrote: post #92

This is like a sociological experiment where they show different people the same picture and ask "what do you see"? The results are heavily influenced by your previous perception of Elon. The results vary from "abuse and modern slavery" to "I'd fly halfway across the country to be there." I don't really have an opinion here as I don't know what is actually happening and assume the original poster intentionally framed…

I mostly agree, but you're kind of implying that the photo exists in a vacuum. People are reasonably using context. Yes, they cherry-pick the context a bit and perhaps overextend it, but they're not just making up a story from whole cloth.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by anon7725 »

memish wrote: post #83
wskish wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a more simple explanation: that these are the folks who actually want to go "hardcore" and build to some actual vision.

That's not an acceptable explanation. They need to be assigned an acceptable one. As you can see, there are many volunteers assigning them.

At this point in my life and career, I wouldn’t be in that room. And I’m sure some people are not there by choice. But I’m also sure this is the highlight of many in this photo’s career so far.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by tomlockwood »

berkut wrote: post #94
tomlockwood wrote: post #2

Looking at that diagram, and thinking the person who needed it just bought the company for 44 billion dollars, is bewildering.

What diagram / whiteboard are people talking about? Is there more than one photo? The only whiteboard I see is on the right hand side at the back, mostly obscured by people, and I certainly can't make out what's on it.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593899029531803649/phot...

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by tomlockwood »

wskish wrote: post #57
tomlockwood wrote: post #2

Looking at that diagram, and thinking the person who needed it just bought the company for 44 billion dollars, is bewildering.

I see that whiteboard as a mechanism to help build a shared mental model for all assembled. Everyone there has seen some previous unknown revision of architectural diagrams, and has their own partial model of the system. Due to the urgency at hand, they all need to have a crisp shared model of the important parts, down to the naming of things.

Imagine you're thinking about buying a 44B business and want to radically change its business model, and potentially, plan to fire a lot of technical people. What are the things you need to know to achieve this?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by ncann »

polished85 wrote: post #92

This is like a sociological experiment where they show different people the same picture and ask "what do you see"? The results are heavily influenced by your previous perception of Elon. The results vary from "abuse and modern slavery" to "I'd fly halfway across the country to be there." I don't really have an opinion here as I don't know what is actually happening and assume the original poster intentionally framed…

The "modern slavery" comment made me chuckle. Seriously...

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by wskish »

pasttense01 wrote: post #66
wskish wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so that he can create the American Weechat, or whatever he's got in mind. What if what he has in mind is attempting to undo the negative effects that social networks have had on our society and democracy and instead attempt to rebuild this particular network in a way that can have a positive effect on society? It seems like that is a technological possibility and also something he could plausibly be interested in.

Elon believes in "free speech" and these unmoderated free speech networks rapidly become filled with toxic garbage.

historically, yes; but might that be a function of both the platform incentives (advertising, engagement) and poor technology?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by MiguelX413 »

wskish wrote: post #50
deanCommie wrote: post #43

Of all the scenarios with Twitter in the last several months where people talk past each other, this is the one I am most confused by. You got startup CEOs (not just Elon Musk brownnosers) talking about how some of the most innovative things get built at startups. Which is true! Big, world-changing ideas, don't get built 9-5. And especially if you have some competitive advantage, you need to rush to market, to beat t…

> so that he can create the American Weechat, or whatever he's got in mind. What if what he has in mind is attempting to undo the negative effects that social networks have had on our society and democracy and instead attempt to rebuild this particular network in a way that can have a positive effect on society? It seems like that is a technological possibility and also something he could plausibly be interested in.

It's still centralized, proprietary, and going to have the harmful business model of advertising, no?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by Imnimo »

kcplate wrote: post #31
sys_64738 wrote: post #17

Some people have families and a life outside of work. We sure as heck ain't staying until 1am for anybody.

I have a family and a life outside of work, and I can’t count how many all nighters I have pulled in 35+ years of my career. Sometimes you need to do them. Of course I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful…

It's interesting that you naturally attribute this belief to upbringing rather than an actual justification.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by detaro »

wskish wrote: post #99
giraffe_lady wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if what if what if. What about his actions leads you to believe he's more capable of that than the thousands of people who were already working on it? If that were easy to do it would have been done, social media companies are full of people who care very deeply about this exact issue and who are also not absolute fucking neophytes at understanding and managing the constraints of a large social media network. An…

> what about his actions leads you to believe he's more capable of that than the thousands of people who were already working on it? My sense is that the 1000's of people who where already working on it have been working on it from the perspective of how to make a billion dollars while working at it. EM is free from that constraint.

That's why he settled Twitter with additional debt and talked about how it might go bankrupt soon if it doesn't make more money, to make it clear that profit is not important?
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