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Re: KDE beats macOS

#101

Post by messe »

jeswin wrote: post #93
sirn wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I found the opposite to be true. Given more and more applications require constantly polling backend server (not only social apps, e.g. a TODO list, note-taking application, a time tracker, etc.) I much more prefer this behavior being the default. That said, I still like KDE Plasma more than macOS as a desktop. But this and the proxy icons are two things that I missed the most.

> Given more and more applications require constantly polling backend server (not only social apps, e.g. a TODO list, note-taking application, a time tracker, etc.) I much more prefer this behavior being the default. Why are desktop versions of TODO lists, note-taking applications, and time trackers constantly polling the server in the background ? Social apps and web apps I understand.

Well, on macOS, my note-taking, reminders and calendar apps all sync with my phone and tablet. Having it poll in the background means I don't need to wait for it to sync when I next open it.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#102

Post by [deleted] »

jeswin wrote: post #93
sirn wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I found the opposite to be true. Given more and more applications require constantly polling backend server (not only social apps, e.g. a TODO list, note-taking application, a time tracker, etc.) I much more prefer this behavior being the default. That said, I still like KDE Plasma more than macOS as a desktop. But this and the proxy icons are two things that I missed the most.

> Given more and more applications require constantly polling backend server (not only social apps, e.g. a TODO list, note-taking application, a time tracker, etc.) I much more prefer this behavior being the default. Why are desktop versions of TODO lists, note-taking applications, and time trackers constantly polling the server in the background ? Social apps and web apps I understand.

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Re: KDE beats macOS

#103

Post by rhaway84773 »

licebmi__at__ wrote: post #35
rhaway84773 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacOS is interesting in that I know regular users who have used it for over a decade who still don’t grasp some of its basics. For example, the post actually makes a mistake when mentioning macOS doesn’t have Alt+TAB window switching. It does. You just have to do Alt+’. That being said, even though the OP is wrong, there’s a massive kernel of truth in that the majority of ordinary Mac users are unaware of this. Anoth…

And to add to the point, Alt+’ is not the same as alt+tab, which will switch between all the available windows while the former will only switch between the windows on the current selected application. And it’s also even worse, because Alt+’ as a natural partner of alt+tab won’t even work if you use a different keyboard layout; and it won’t even work if you set an application on a workspace.

The keyboard layout issue is very real!

If you do have a regular layout, the 2 ALTs are indeed supposed to work together.

I remember when I first used a Mac in like 2004 I thought this was fantastic. That’s because at the time Windows (or at least the machine I had windows on), was incapable of rendering individual windows when Alt+Tabbing… So you’d Alt+Tab and try and distinguish between the window you wanted by the name or just plain luck.

However, computers ar better now and are capable of showing little images of the windows in Alt+Tab. The MacOS style is strictly inferior at this point IMO.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#104

Post by tyfon »

sirn wrote: post #49
doix wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really agree. The really interesting part of intuitiveness is how it scales once you became familiar with the basic set of UX primitives. Is intuitiveness the right word? I make the same arguments about Vim, that it's one of the most logically consistent editors once you learn the basic set of primitives (not perfect of course). But I don't think anyone would call it intuitive. > Take, for example copying.…

>I have no idea what you mean, but you can drag lots of stuff in windows to different places and stuff happens. On macOS, there's a concept called "Proxy Icons". These are little icons that are shown in a title bar of a document-based applications (e.g. "[ICON] My File.txt"). You can interact with these icons as if they are an actual file on the disk. For example, you have "My File.txt" open in TextEdit, and you want…

Things like this actually works in KDE, I can take a file from the file manager and drop it into konsole and it will copy the path.

It's how copy/paste intents are supposed to work, the receiving object or program might want to use the object sent in various ways so you can extract image data or path if it's an image for instance. Konsole just grabs the path from all that is sent to it that is not clear text.

I did try your text file example from kate (text editor), but that didn't work. otoh, kate does provide the path to the file for easy copying right below this icon :)

I can drag the file from kate, however konsole doesn't accept the object. I suspect kate doesn't encode the path in the copy/paste object, perhaps something I should fix.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#105

Post by lampe3 »

yibers wrote: post #42
lampe3 wrote: post #20

To be honest I stopped caring what OS I'm running as long as it is not windows. I have a terminal open 99% of the time and I almost never open finder or Gnome Files. pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. VS Code is basically the same on every system. Gnome/KDE/MacOS all of them have there pros and cons. Right now what wins for me is the apple silicon. I can develop stuff with…

Wouls you care to elaborate a bit as to why you would care if the OS you are running os Windows?

I still use Windows for gaming because you have to even the support under linux/macos got way better.

For development I tried WSL and WSL2 both have problems.

Last time I installed WSL2 with ubuntu on it I could not figure out how to connect ubuntu to the internet because of some strange DNS setup in WSL.

Windows Terminal is a good way forward but CMD is not as good as bash or zsh.

Scoop/WinGet/ect are nice but way way way behind brew or pacman.

I could install npm/node/git/etc directly on windows but its just so much more painful to setup and keep it running

Windows and its legacy/new/newNew/window11 ui is just to messy for me.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#106

Post by TheNorthman »

easygenes wrote: post #56
lampe3 wrote: post #20

To be honest I stopped caring what OS I'm running as long as it is not windows. I have a terminal open 99% of the time and I almost never open finder or Gnome Files. pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. VS Code is basically the same on every system. Gnome/KDE/MacOS all of them have there pros and cons. Right now what wins for me is the apple silicon. I can develop stuff with…

You might want to look at the Lenovo X13s Snapdragon [1]. People have, with some unofficial engagement from Lenovo's Linux technical lead, gotten Linux running on it [2][3]. It is basically a laptop version of the Microsoft ARM Developer Kit, and was released early this year. 1: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13s-(13-inch-snapdragon)/ 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/…

How does the 8cx Gen 3 compare to the M2/M1 Pro/M1 Max? (this is a rhetorical question)

Re: KDE beats macOS

#107

Post by mromanuk »

doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

Counterpoint, a not tech friend of mine, switched to a macbook air M1 from Wintel, she's loving MacOS and keynote, couldn't be happier. Was pretty intuitive for her.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#108

Post by sidlls »

tyfon wrote: post #96
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired.

I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it was an iPhone 8) to use as my work phone.

The iPhone 8 performed better and had a much better UX than my then-current Nexus. It just wasn't even a fair comparison, really. I upgraded my personal device to the latest iPhone and haven't looked back. I haven't even touched an Android phone since then, and unless something really compelling happens to force it I probably never will again.

Same thing with my laptop, actually: around the same time I decided to give a macbook a go. I haven't regretted it at all.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#109

Post by lampe3 »

easygenes wrote: post #56
lampe3 wrote: post #20

To be honest I stopped caring what OS I'm running as long as it is not windows. I have a terminal open 99% of the time and I almost never open finder or Gnome Files. pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. VS Code is basically the same on every system. Gnome/KDE/MacOS all of them have there pros and cons. Right now what wins for me is the apple silicon. I can develop stuff with…

You might want to look at the Lenovo X13s Snapdragon [1]. People have, with some unofficial engagement from Lenovo's Linux technical lead, gotten Linux running on it [2][3]. It is basically a laptop version of the Microsoft ARM Developer Kit, and was released early this year. 1: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13s-(13-inch-snapdragon)/ 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/…

Yes I looked at that but the software support is not there yet.

Also for the price the performance you get is questionable at best even compared to a m1.

I'm also a burned child by the build quality in the last years by lenovo. My t480s was at best good. But not as good as a macbook or a asus zenbook

Re: KDE beats macOS

#110

Post by synergy20 »

oleg_antonyan wrote: post #99

I had to stop the job interview when suddenly they said that I must use Mac. They ship MacBook to you and you have no choice of using Linux or anything else. Corporate policy. It's literally unusable for me after 15+ years on Linux with KDE (mostly). Tried Mac for 4 months at one of the previous jobs but escaped to a comfort zone. Sometimes habits are too strong, and alternative is not appealing enough.

same here, if I'm told I must use Mac at work, I'm out immediately.
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