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Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

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The recession depending on who you ask seem to be either mild or not happening. All the government indicators (recent inflation, gdp, jobs report) seem to paint a thriving economy.

So why are these companies still shedding jobs? I'm starting to wonder if the tech industry is disproportionately impacted similar to dot com bubble from 2000.

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And they say we are not in a recession.

I think these moves are possible if we're not in a recession. If Amazon underperformed over the year, and its earnings are lower than estimated, they could be simply cutting costs in Q4 to offset the lowered earnings. The cause of that underperformance is really what would tell you if we're headed for a recession and Amazon has their fingers in so many pies it'd be hard to attribute laying off 1/150th of their workfo…

Travel is going to crash hard again once the pent-up demand for post-pandemic vacations is fulfilled. Lots of Fortune 500 companies, many of them quite profitable, have implemented travel restrictions within the last quarter for budget reasons.

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> In 2018, Echo and Alexa lost about $5 billion, said a person with knowledge of the finances. When Amazon introduced new devices this fall in an annual event, it was notably more restrained than past years when it had featured zany products like a sticky note printer and $1,000 home robot. $5B loss from one business line is a lot. Maybe this manner of investment inspired Zuck on the metaverse.

I just don't see the path to profitability for Alexa. Like, sure, it's neat, but how does it make any money? Do they sell the devices at a profit? Does usage of the devices lead to increased sales on Amazon.com? Are those sales that wouldn't have taken place on the app/website otherwise?

> Does usage of the devices lead to increased sales on Amazon.com?

Yes. We have a few Alexa's and it's helpful to reorder commodities with your voice as you run out of that item (batteries, tape, printer paper, etc). I just add them to my cart and check the price later, but I like it because I'll likely forget to reorder some of those things if I don't do it right away.

Apple and Samsung own our pockets with their devices (and associated platforms), Amazon wants to own the spaces where our phone isn't always close by or easy to use (mostly home and car).

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I just don't see the path to profitability for Alexa. Like, sure, it's neat, but how does it make any money? Do they sell the devices at a profit? Does usage of the devices lead to increased sales on Amazon.com? Are those sales that wouldn't have taken place on the app/website otherwise?

When Amazon Music Unlimited was an attempted thing, that was a direct path to monetization that basically only happens if you have Alexa/Echo widely deployed. Otherwise, it seems a tenuous link to increasing sales in retail. (I say "was" because they recently rolled part of it out as a Prime benefit a couple of weeks ago, but I can't figure out the exact difference between unlimited and what's included in Prime [and…

The one that is included in prime is basically like spotify free without the ads.

You can only play in shuffle mode.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't see the path to profitability for Alexa. Like, sure, it's neat, but how does it make any money? Do they sell the devices at a profit? Does usage of the devices lead to increased sales on Amazon.com? Are those sales that wouldn't have taken place on the app/website otherwise?

It's an ads vector Eventually people will say "Alexa buy my groceries" Alexa will buy from the highest bidder

We’ll need Reg NMS for groceries.

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There has been a lot of talk about a correction coming and a bubble bursting specifically in tech for years now. Is this it?

the correction is happening now. the pandemic pushed all these tech companies up artificially. they hired in record numbers to meet demand and thought it would be permanent/the new floor. The economy has since rebounded and companies are returning to previous levels. The war isn't helping however

It is not pandemic pushed evaluation, it is $5T injected by Fed in stock market.

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This is not strictly true. I examined a master's degree thesis last semester where the student proved conclusively that Alexa devices are periodically spamming bursts of data back to Amazon HQ even when not woken. Beyond a heartbeat, too - MBs of data, not KBs. No clear idea what that data is, though. There's at least a small chance it isn't benign.

link?

Unpublished. It's still going through board approval.

As/when it's put on my institution's open repository I'll post a link. Might be a few weeks though.

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post #42

> In 2018, Echo and Alexa lost about $5 billion, said a person with knowledge of the finances. When Amazon introduced new devices this fall in an annual event, it was notably more restrained than past years when it had featured zany products like a sticky note printer and $1,000 home robot. $5B loss from one business line is a lot. Maybe this manner of investment inspired Zuck on the metaverse.

I just don't see the path to profitability for Alexa. Like, sure, it's neat, but how does it make any money? Do they sell the devices at a profit? Does usage of the devices lead to increased sales on Amazon.com? Are those sales that wouldn't have taken place on the app/website otherwise?

There was some belief, I think, that there was an app space for voice apps, similar to mobile. I don't think that's necessarily true, and despite Alexa focusing on making it relatively easy for developers to create their own VUI apps, there hasn't been (as far as I know), any real killer app developed in this space.

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There has been a lot of talk about a correction coming and a bubble bursting specifically in tech for years now. Is this it?

All the layoffs announced (sans the Musking that just happened) are in line with normal annual attrition plus a bump given the huge hiring spree during the pandemic to meet pandemic demand. I’ll bet $20 if you took HC growth prepandemic and straight lined it through to today inclusive of layoffs you would see normal YoY growth between those two points, which an aberration in 20/21 of high hiring. I think you’ll see a bit of party hangover and if the whole economy sinks it’ll get worse. But overall I’ve not observed any material structural shift in the world or in tech, unlike say the dot com bust or the global financial crisis. There’s some cold spots though like real estate tech that’ll probably go through a tough time.

I think a lot of folks here have never been through a down cycle before though and anything that’s not frantic growth and double digit comp growth YoY will feel like a nuclear winter.

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