I had a tiny dream the other day, to leave for a silent retreat in a monastery and study cosmology.. something about the scale and timelessness of it was appealing to my soul
I plan to leave tech to pursue art
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Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
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What you describe is not art, it's derivative commercial products that use "art" skills. True artist almost by definition does not care about audience, or tries to predict what they will like.
And yet if you don’t have an audience, what is the point? Even the most outsider artists managed to gather a following some way or the other. It isn’t just happenstance.
Don't caring about audience doesn't mean not having an audience. But, caring about an audience, by definition means creating derivative commercial works of low value. It works in business, but not in art (unless your goal is to just make money and/or be famous).
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…
What you describe is not art, it's derivative commercial products that use "art" skills. True artist almost by definition does not care about audience, or tries to predict what they will like.
What's your definition of 'true art'?
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you describe is not art, it's derivative commercial products that use "art" skills. True artist almost by definition does not care about audience, or tries to predict what they will like.
And yet if you don’t have an audience, what is the point? Even the most outsider artists managed to gather a following some way or the other. It isn’t just happenstance.
> And yet if you don’t have an audience, what is the point?
Point is art itself
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if you have no idea what art is because you're too old, why do you presume you can gate-keep art for others? > I’ll just assume you’re offended because you’re old. I very strongly suspect I'm younger than you. And I've no personal interest in artistic pursuits, to be explicit. The only reason I took offence was that you were, in short, acting offensively. Even shorter - you were an asshole. In the longer - you wer…
You’ve read too much into what I’ve said and taken too much offense. Text is hard so I don’t blame you. “retiring and doing art” is an absurdly simplistic path to point someone towards and it’s not helpful to anyone who wants to actually create anything at all. And it probably doesn’t work in most cases. “It’s what I’ve done!”
My apologies, I only responded to what I read, I don't think I extrapolated beyond that, but could be wrong.
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
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You are 20 and talking about a career change. You are going to do great! I learned to program in art classes at USC and UCLA. While you may go analog, it’s likely your tech & art skills will blend somewhere down the line. Check out UCLA MFA Design Media Arts program [1]. Casey Reas [2] teaches there. He co-created Processing at MIT [3]. Arduino programs are called “sketches” because the Arduino IDE derives from Proce…
Don’t worry about all the people going negative and saying AI will replace you. Those people aren’t artists. You can’t be blind to AI… it’s coming and you’d be foolish to ignore it. But, AI is like any other tool artists use. Great artists use new tools and methods to push their ideas & work forward. No one expects you to mix paint or make your own clay. Banksy isn’t making paint cans. No one cares about those skills…
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Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet if you don’t have an audience, what is the point? Even the most outsider artists managed to gather a following some way or the other. It isn’t just happenstance.
Don't caring about audience doesn't mean not having an audience. But, caring about an audience, by definition means creating derivative commercial works of low value. It works in business, but not in art (unless your goal is to just make money and/or be famous).
For the longest time, caring about your audience was the only way to get food on the table for an artist.
Michelangelo and Carravagio were contract artists and so were most of the others who are considered great artists. Of course, their audience wasn't the plebs.
And what is considered true art today is nothing but a rigged money game of the big art houses and galleries.
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
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I stood at a fork in the road, so to speak, when I was kicked out of the house and had to decide whether to pursue art or tech (I enjoyed both). It was clear to me tech would pay the bills — the art I could do in my spare time. Retired (am I?) now, I can do all the art I want.
The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…
... wow!
I have to disagree with every clause in this statement. First, you don't have to be "old" to become "retired"; people can take extended sabbaticals away from the money race at any time in their adult lives to pursue their current passions - if only for a short while. If/when the money/support runs out, "un-retire" and prepare for the next "retirement". Second, being part of the "cultural zeitgeist" has nothing whatsoever to do with artistic ability - unless you're more interested in artistic fame/fortune than producing art that realises your vision. Third, you do not need to be young to "consume art" - btw that is a truly awful phrase that grates against every fibre of my alleged soul. I for one didn't suddenly stop appreciating the creativity of my fellow humans on my 30th birthday.
I'm sorry this comment has turned out to be so negative, but art is, for me, not a job description; it is a passion, an addiction from which I never want to be cured.
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
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AI won't eat lunch, but it may crowd the space with more people getting paid less. A marketing person can't sit in front of Stable Diffusion and work it towards the campaign they want. They still need an art department that can iterate and make it match the campaign. The artist may very well be sitting in front of some iteration of stable diffusion/imagen/dalle but they still need to discern between AI generated outp…
Why do you think an 'art department' is still needed? The only reason why in-house art departments are needed, is because previously its hard to communicate 'exactly what you want' to an artist, hence in-housing to reduce communication friction. In the future, the marketing guy, can just create a draft/visual guide through AI, and send it to some outsourced artist to refine. The outsourced artist can be from any coun…
If you make marketing create art and talk to outsourced creators then guess what, you've turned the marketing department into and art department. Clearly the art department is still needed - according to yourself.
Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI won't eat lunch, but it may crowd the space with more people getting paid less. A marketing person can't sit in front of Stable Diffusion and work it towards the campaign they want. They still need an art department that can iterate and make it match the campaign. The artist may very well be sitting in front of some iteration of stable diffusion/imagen/dalle but they still need to discern between AI generated outp…
Why do you think an 'art department' is still needed? The only reason why in-house art departments are needed, is because previously its hard to communicate 'exactly what you want' to an artist, hence in-housing to reduce communication friction. In the future, the marketing guy, can just create a draft/visual guide through AI, and send it to some outsourced artist to refine. The outsourced artist can be from any coun…
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