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No centralization, no server.
"This, and other things CEOs say while smoking crack." Computer code still runs on CPUs and not the aether. If its accepting connections from other computers it is the server in the client/server model. If it's on your desktop, it just typically means it doesn't have ECC memory and a battery backup dropping the reliability even further. Decentralized architectures have all kinds of fun and complicated failure modes,…
Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
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#102I feel like he should have taken a long holiday. Not being rude or anything, but a new social network needs thorough thinking. For instance everywhere i read about the topic on casual forums, someone mentions myspace. Maybe it is time that such a network is built - fun customisations and neutral content.
>For instance everywhere i read about the topic on casual forums, someone mentions myspace. My grandparents also talk about how wonderful the past was, but that doesn't mean a lick of it was true. Was MySpace better? In some ways yes, but that's because we were better as social media users, and such massive bot farms, and financial interests in corrupting said social media didn't exist. If you turn on MySpace today i…
The issues we have with todays social media are the same issues IRC, usenet and other primordial internet social tools have suffered from in the past at scale. People abandoned those for what they thought was better. They went on to myspace and eventually they gave up myspace and went on to facebook and twitter because they thought these would be even better. And they were for a while. Facebook was really cool when people limited to sharing meal and travel photos with friends and family. Twitter was cool when limited to sharing fun short stories or updates.
Then gradually the noisy plebe invaded. The drunken pub types debating angry politics, pseudo intellectuals, wannabe thought leaders, cheap scammers and sleazy politicians.
And instead of banning or pushing them towards network ghettos, algorithms where made to amplify specifically their voice, in order to bait all the decent people into engaging with platforms even more. These algorithms developed habits in us that turned everyone into a little bit of the above.
We tried this. Doesn't work. We need to iterate what worked. MySpace did. I fail to understand why facebook and twitter didnt put more thought into how to monetise the platform in better ways. Was it lack of imagination or the lack of people skills of their founders? Anger and politics are not the only things that drive sales and profits. Social networks are a reflection of our society and in a society you tend to marginalise the angry violent mobs that try to capture your attention and suck your energy, and instead you go where you can do your shopping, eating, reading, traveling, entertainment consuming safely and peacefully. Social networks can monetise on that.
Instead they made us fight each other.
Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
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You absolutely can have sub-second responses to search queries for publically accessible decentralized content, if it is indexed by a regular search engine. That is what the web is. Privately accessible content tends to be much smaller so local caching works. And if communication is not meant to be instant, email proves that a decentralized system works. What gets a little more difficult is content that is widely ava…
Google is reasonably centralised, though.
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#104No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.
Let's see how that goes a year from now.
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Something that isn’t clear to folks is that Jack is on the board and advises us, but Bluesky’s founder and team are pulled from the dweb community.
Respectfully, the issue i see with bluesky and at is that it’s solving a problem no casual user really cares about solving. And jack hasnt been particularly great at solving the issue social media suffers from these days: toxicity. Facebook, twitter, instagram, reddit are all ridden by toxicity. Give us a place where nana and that weird cousin can socialise without risking being radicalised one political way or anoth…
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>For instance everywhere i read about the topic on casual forums, someone mentions myspace. My grandparents also talk about how wonderful the past was, but that doesn't mean a lick of it was true. Was MySpace better? In some ways yes, but that's because we were better as social media users, and such massive bot farms, and financial interests in corrupting said social media didn't exist. If you turn on MySpace today i…
I dont think your analogy to rosy retrospection applies here. The issues we have with todays social media are the same issues IRC, usenet and other primordial internet social tools have suffered from in the past at scale. People abandoned those for what they thought was better. They went on to myspace and eventually they gave up myspace and went on to facebook and twitter because they thought these would be even bett…
Like you say, myspace was actually quite good, but users
>gave up myspace and went on to facebook and twitter because they thought these would be even better.
People may be questioning this now more than ever, but it's too late for myspace now, and only hindsight will pinpoint peak Facebook and peak Twitter after those milestones are unmistakeable.
These are not just "social" networks (some say anti-social), they are pop-culture trends.
Which respond to and influence culture as much as they can while they are popular, the more popular the more so while it lasts.
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We use DIDs for identity but presently no blockchain DID methods. Some people ask us for that, eg did:ethr or did:ion. Unsure it’ll happen (I’m skeptical) but that’s what Jay was talking about.
> We use DIDs for identity but presently no blockchain DID methods. I notice that the documentation[0] says: "We introduced DID Placeholder because we weren't totally satisfied with any of the existing DID methods. ... We cheekily titled the method "Placeholder", because we don't want it to stick around. We're actively hoping to replace it with something less centralized. We expect a method to emerge that fits the bi…
The DID PLC registry is a placeholder because what we actually want is akin to a ICAN-style governance over it. When we talk about a “permissioned consortium” we mean as opposed to a “permissionless blockchain.” It’s not that we haven’t solved the mechanics; it’s that the right solution is a people/org problem and not a computing problem.
We include DID Web as an option in our system, which comes with its own tradeoffs but essentially falls back to DNS+HTTP as a replacement solution. We did that for a lot of reasons, but one in particular is understanding that we may indeed have gotten this technical decision wrong, and need to move away from PLC. I should note however that DNS is akin to what we’re aiming for with DID PLC — a global org operating the central registry.
The most egregiously absent solution with PLC is economic: it costs money to host the DIDs, but we don’t want to pass that cost on to end users. We’re going to need to suss that out, but the answer might just need to be that server operators pay for their registrations.
I can understand you preferring ActivityPub. We wanted to pursue a different design. If we’re wrong, and AP thrives, I’ll be happy enough.
Also, I missed “cheekily” in the copy review and I’m taking that out.
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Bleh, I find your position is boring because it's so easily shown to be unworkable. Imagine there have a platform run as you suggest and I don't like what you're saying on it: I flood you and anyone that supports you with not-quite-illegal abuse, misinformation, non-sense, spam, false flag support from people with deplorable views. Copy-cats of you that take your positions but weakly argued or with a touch of added g…
There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. But I honestly don't understand this whole argument. Twitter is a social network, you just need to only receive messages from your network or "friends of a friend". You can't have both a global network and get offended given the multitude of opinions and laws in the world. The problem seems to be less that people are offended b…