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Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by LelouBil »

gwbas1c wrote: post #89

I smell a lawsuit. You can't copyright facts. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_Publications,_Inc.,_v._R... . > Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991), was a landmark decision by the Supreme Court of the United States establishing that information alone without a minimum of original creativity cannot be protected by copyright.[1] In the case appealed, Feist had copied inf…

From what I understand, no "fact" is being copyrighted here.

What is copyrighted is a set of names for colors, that Pantone came up with, which they can have "standardized" for each material they sell ink for.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by teddyh »

TkTech wrote: post #21
dchia wrote: post #15

Can someone tell me what value does Pantone bring to the table? As a man-on-the-street I fail to understand what they are claiming for. Is this about the naming Pantone has given to a particular Hex Code?

My understanding is that the entire suite of colors is calibrated by material, among other things. #aabbcc on the screen does not look like #aabbcc when painted onto wood, or from plastic injection moulding. But Pantone Color #32 will be absolutely identical everywhere.

It’s worse than that. ‘#aabbcc’ does not exist outside of your screen. ‘#aabbcc’ is not a color. Colors are complicated: https://poynton.ca/ColorFAQ.html

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by pessimizer »

pxx wrote: post #66
chrisseaton wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By 'hex code' do you mean RGB or CMYK? Pantone encodes more colours than those two.

Your last sentence is just wrong. Pantone encodes thousands of colors. RGB/CMYK can encode references to as many (within-gamut, but you can also hack around this) colors as you want, typically millions, often billions. Sure, you might not get Pantone 123 if somebody asks for #ffc72b. But if somebody says "use Pantone colors only" and specifies #ffc72b, you're going to get Pantone 123.

> within-gamut, but

How is this not question-begging?

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by brudgers »

dchia wrote: post #15

Can someone tell me what value does Pantone bring to the table? As a man-on-the-street I fail to understand what they are claiming for. Is this about the naming Pantone has given to a particular Hex Code?

Pantone brings consistency. If you specify a Pantone color, pay a printer to use the right Pantone inks on the right media (and pay for the level of experience for the printer to do this right), you can get exactly what you expect.

By which I mean your company logo will by the right color (assuming your logo was specified as a Pantone color).

When printed, of course.

The hubub is because the Pantone color pallets have been a convenient way of picking colors for many use cases where consistency doesn't matter enough to pay for Pantone inks and the class of printer who can do them right...which is almost all use cases, everywhere all the time.

Pantone created the onscreen colors to facilitate soft proofing. In the small segment of users using them for that, the cost of a license is trivial because clients who require Pantone colors already expect to pay the costs associated with using them.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

Serves people right for trusting their own work to subscription software with no guaranteed long term support. Adobe could also just go under one day and then say goodbye to a decade of your photo edits. Charging for color adjustment in print is perfectly reasonable, just to decode RGB values is some bull.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by TechBro8615 »

aliqot wrote: post #100
postpawl wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus tech tips did a video on this recently: https://youtu.be/JF8UziDHqZo The one they got was more like $10k.

That channel sure loves to waste money for the sake of "OMG LOOK $$$ WE GOT IT". Just stick to the tech and stay in your lane. This isn't what we meant when we said 'more RGB stuff'.

I assumed they didn't pay for any of this stuff and the vendors give them products to make a video about them.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by moolcool »

brudgers wrote: post #95
moolcool wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a real Steve Jobs "You're holding it wrong" way to look at this problem. This is an extremely anti-consumer move, and you can't blame the users for it.

Pantone products are professional/B2B.

Does Photoshop give a warning when you're about to use a professional feature? "You're about to use a B2B feature. Please note that this functionality can be removed on a whim. Do you wish to continue?" Why should I, a normal consumer, expect my psd files to stop working if I had the gall to use a pantone shade I knew I liked?

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by brudgers »

cthalupa wrote: post #83
iMerNibor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I recall, its about phyiscal to virtual color matching, so pantone offers samples of say plastic with the exact matching color as the virtual ones, so you can pick a color, tell the manufacturer you want the plastic molded that color and be pretty sure you'll get the right color of product (or if not you can go back to them and tell them to do it according to spec). You'd also want to calibrate your monitor…

You'll never get exact matching colors between a digital representation and a physical sample - there are too many variables at play an distinct physical differences that can't be made up. I have never found the Pantone hexs to be particularly close to even the basic coated/uncoated guide colors, either, despite having about as good of a color matching setup as one can get at the prosumer level (and do not see how go…

Yes, at best with experience a designer can visualize how a particular color will look in print when they see it on screen.

But that's true when viewing anything to be printed on-screen.

The only way to get there is to do a lot of printing.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by brudgers »

moolcool wrote: post #107
brudgers wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pantone products are professional/B2B.

Does Photoshop give a warning when you're about to use a professional feature? "You're about to use a B2B feature. Please note that this functionality can be removed on a whim. Do you wish to continue?" Why should I, a normal consumer, expect my psd files to stop working if I had the gall to use a pantone shade I knew I liked?

Photoshop is also designed as a B2B/professional product.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by aliqot »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #106
aliqot wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That channel sure loves to waste money for the sake of "OMG LOOK $$$ WE GOT IT". Just stick to the tech and stay in your lane. This isn't what we meant when we said 'more RGB stuff'.

I assumed they didn't pay for any of this stuff and the vendors give them products to make a video about them.

In the Pantone video in question they say they paid thousands for it
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