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Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by yilugurlu »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #99
Toine wrote: post #34

I'll stick to NextJS. Remix seemed fishy from the very start.

To me, Remix seemed like a very lightweight reimagining of what Next excelled at (server side react with nice frontend integration). It was exciting to see how quickly it handled dynamic renders when running from a Cloudflare worker. But now that Next 13 has layouts/server components, I prefer Next.js' approach due to all the other performance work they've done with images, fonts, css, etc. One thing about Remix that…

Ryan, the co-founder of Remix said this [1]

> Remix is really just React Router + SSR.

[1] https://twitter.com/ryanflorence/status/1586835847583653889

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by exogen »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #80

remix feels like the react version of htmx. I'd just use the latter, tbh.

I suspect you are confused about what Remix is, unless I vastly misunderstand htmx.

By example, a request comes into my app's web server at `/posts/123`: how would htmx be involved at all in (1) understanding the request, and (2) generating the response? Remix isn't just client-side, it's also a server with routing and SSR.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by eatonphil »

nell wrote: post #60

~No they aren't rebuilding Hydrogen in Remix.~ Edit: Spoke too soon on the above, sorry. Remix raised funding. Ran out of money with no scope to self sustain or raise money. They downsized (see Kent Dodds. Perhaps there are others). Strong engineers that built the platform got acquihired.

> No they aren't rebuilding Hydrogen in Remix.

Looks like they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33407274

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by ajgrover »

psychoslave wrote: post #84
emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

Wait, isn't React a js framework? Is Remix a framework over a framework?

People are using the term “metaframework” these days to describe things like Remix and Next that build on top of React as the view layer and provide many of the other bits you might need to get a fully-fledged web app up and running. Including but not limited to routing, performance optimizations for images and fonts, data fetching, SSR/static generation & regeneration

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by bredren »

zebnyc wrote: post #86
PhoenixReborn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did raise funding. It's unclear to me what their business model would have been (compete with Vercel?), and maybe the struggle to find one was why they decided to go for an acquisition.

I remember they had a really expensive subscription model (even for solo developers). They were looking to get traction based on the reputation of the founders and other tech influencers (like Kent C Dodds) in the react community. Personally I felt that they were not very clear on who their target audience was and what was the niche that they were trying to address to transition from good to great dev experience.

>They were looking to get traction based on the reputation of the founders and other tech influencers (like Kent C Dodds) in the react community.

This had the opposite effect for me.

I bought Dodds' Epic React course and it seemed to have been kicked to the curb in favor of joining and boosting Remix.

I remember some important course updates were pending, and seemed to come to a standstill while his entire blog was re-written in Remix.

Then a month or so later he joined that team. I really liked his prior educational content, in this it seemed like paid promotion for a particular framework.

The VC raise and bringing Dodds on seemed like peak (hopefully!) hypecycle for frontend JS stuff.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by jackbravo »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #97
jahewson wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vercel already ate Remix’s lunch.

I was surprised how calm the remix developers reactions to the next 13 announcement were given how similar some of the new next features are. But now it makes sense! Upcoming acquisition on the horizon.

Very related: https://twitter.com/ryanflorence/status/1587096603822673920

> Seeing that Next.js 13 preview before this acquisition would have put me in major defensive mode "HEY THATS OUR API" but now I'm just super chill and can work on Remix instead of my mental health

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by yen223 »

tfsh wrote: post #14

the https://remix.run website is beautifully fun. I know lots of people will berate it for being OTT, but scrolling I wouldn't say is a critical path given the docs/get-started call to actions. I'd be interested to see what Shopify do with remix, are they more interested in the core team, maintaining remix.run as they plan to/do(?) use it internally. I assume they want to offer this framework as a baked in enhancemen…

I really like the website. I think it did a great job at telling us why we should care about Remix the framework, what problem it was designed to solve. A lot of websites for other OSS projects struggle with this.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by reducesuffering »

weatherlite wrote: post #85
reducesuffering wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably only because that's what he's familiar with. Rails has the most ubiquitous scale problems that large co's keep migrating away from, and new devs are trending away from it. Shopify investing into the JS/TS backend world is just another domino falling of Ruby/Rails descending into Perl-like prevalence.

They are spending tens of millions building a ruby JIT so I am not sure you are painting an accurate picture here...

So they recognize they're having problems with speed. Dropbox also spent years trying to JIT Python faster with Pyston, and were unsuccessful. They now are leveraging Rust and Go instead.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by DangitBobby »

Toine wrote: post #34

I'll stick to NextJS. Remix seemed fishy from the very start.

Remix has some very clear second system advantages that become more apparent with usage. Next.js is trying to address many of their relative shortcomings in the 13 release. I would still advocate strongly for anyone to give Remix a try. Both are fine frameworks, at the end of the day.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by lloydatkinson »

thangngoc89 wrote: post #67
lloydatkinson wrote: post #48

Wow. With the recent remix drama this is an interesting development.

I don't follow discord or their github's repo, just reading release notices so could you please elaborate?

One of the main authors tweeted a bunch of crap about numerous other frameworks and then delete it a few hours later
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