The hardware looks well suited to a cluster to me especially at the price point and with the presumably low power usage. Smack three of these bad boys together and you’re got about 64gb of memory to work with and 32gb for redundancy for $1800. That’s not terrible considering SBCs only go up to about 16gb of memory and tinyminimicro boxes probably draw a bit more power and don’t cost less new…
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#102They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down
Can a mac mini m1 run Windows?
No, not x86 Windows. You can only virtualize ARM Windows, which the other answers mean.
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#104It makes sense. The Mac Mini is what you get if you want to make a Mac or iOS app, but you want to keep your Windows or Linux system for daily use.
> The Mac Mini is what you get if you want to make a Mac or iOS app This is probably closer to the Mac Mini with M1 that they shipped to kick-start the Apple Silicon transition for desktop apps. Because if I was a windows programmer for today's customers, I can't really build things on a "Windows on Arm" device like this. Like Apple before, I hope this is just the first salvo against the Windows+Intel, before we all…
I imagine Dr. Su a couple of years ago whispered to a couple of lead technicians "you are going to start a little garage side project here at AMD; it will be the future"
AMD releases 32-core + ARM APUs
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly
>> I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly Would please you elaborate your argument? Personally, I think having more choices would be better. The Apple vs. Google duopoly is limiting for consumers and developers. Would you rather have an expensive device that you barely control or a cheaper device that spies on you? More choices and competition, please.
So what exactly are “consumers” clamoring for that are not currently being delivered?
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#106The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.
8cx gen 3 is definitely faster multicore and about the same singlecore. The 8cx chips also have a wider memory bus and pretty massive GPU in comparison the the mobile parts. Looks like also far better cooling than a phone or thin and light laptop here as well.
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#107Could this be the harbinger of a return to Windows Phone? The world sorely needs an alternative to the mobile OS duopoly.
Why?
(And let’s set aside the how they’d possibly be able to compete with the scale, market penetration, marketing spend, and mature app ecosystems of iOS/Android and Apple/Samsung.)
Privacy? Lack of advertising? Respect for the user’s choices? From the company that brought you Windows 11? Why does the world sorely need another closed-source operating system full of telemetry?
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#108I have mixed feelings about how successful this will be. The 32GB of RAM is really cool for the price - but 8cx Gen 3 is still no M1. It's still significantly slower than an 11th Gen laptop Core i5. Probably not super fun to develop on, even if serviceable - but considering nobody has cared about Windows on ARM to this point, why would you spend $599 to suddenly care about it, when WoA has far less than 1% of Windows…
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#109It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches and from many products in general. Microsoft has enough partners and regional offices because Office365 and Azure are the only worthy products for us in "shithole countries". If Microsoft isn't intending on selling a lot of these devices, the cost of adding 1 or 2 African countries would be relatively small compared to the revenue the…
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#110It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches and from many products in general. Microsoft has enough partners and regional offices because Office365 and Azure are the only worthy products for us in "shithole countries". If Microsoft isn't intending on selling a lot of these devices, the cost of adding 1 or 2 African countries would be relatively small compared to the revenue the…
>It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches All South American, most Asian and most European countries are excluded. That sucks, too.
Do we have any sense of how much of this is driven by privacy regulation? Newer versions of Windows have been more aggressive about collecting user information, so this would not at all surprise me.