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Re: Fake Books

#101
>I soon discovered that all the books leaned on the same central argument: value is an inherent consequence of scarcity. My rebuttal to that was simple: it’s an exception, not a rule. My kids’ doodles are scarce, but in a gallery, they wouldn’t fetch much

Well, how about "value is an inherent consequence of scarcity with respect to demand"?

Re: Fake Books

#102
post #92

I think there’s a good chance it was ghost written by a content farm for someone who wanted to publish a book in a popular category to make a quick buck. I recently learned that this is a soft-scam technique advocated for by a couple of guys called the Mikkelson Twins. They say you can make money by publishing audiobooks on audible by finding a popular topic on audible, then hiring a ghost writing service to write yo…

> I think there’s a good chance it was ghost written by a content farm for someone who wanted to publish a book in a popular category to make a quick buck. The article literally says > My first theory was that the writing must have been outsourced to a content farm, where multiple individuals worked on portions of the text without caring to understand the context. But the explanation had a flaw: there’s nothing you c…

>The article literally says

Yes, and the parent literally generalizes this one-off observation, puts it in context, and gives examples and even a source with a deep dive on the issue.

Re: Fake Books

#103
Reminds me of the joke:

> It's been months since I bought the book, "How to scam people online." It still hasn't arrived yet.

Re: Fake Books

#104

> I soon discovered that all the books leaned on the same central argument: value is an inherent consequence of scarcity. My rebuttal to that was simple: it’s an exception, not a rule. My kids’ doodles are scarce, but in a gallery, they wouldn’t fetch much Well, how about "value is an inherent consequence of scarcity with respect to demand"?

Or to generalise, where supply and demand meet is called value.

Re: Fake Books

#105
post #46

I think there’s a good chance it was ghost written by a content farm for someone who wanted to publish a book in a popular category to make a quick buck. I recently learned that this is a soft-scam technique advocated for by a couple of guys called the Mikkelson Twins. They say you can make money by publishing audiobooks on audible by finding a popular topic on audible, then hiring a ghost writing service to write yo…

> Except what the Mikkelson Twins actually make money on is selling you on a “money making course” where they tell you to do the above. So there’s all kinds of people trying to follow this method out there, it seems. How do people still become wealthy selling "money making courses", when enough people have created "money making courses" that they are, themselves, a commodity?

Well, first, we're 8 billion (or 350 million in the US), which is a big market, and there's a sucker born every minute.

Second, money making courses, don't work. So people tend to buy another and another, to get to the mythical "good" one...

Re: Fake Books

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...which then outsourced itself to GPT-2...

GPT-3 is lounging on a beach somewhere while GPT-2 does all the hard work!

or, judging from the usual IQ and age difference between those doing the actual work and their managers, probably the inverse...

Re: Fake Books

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a brilliant (but very sad) video. The ghost writers get about $2500 for a 10,000 word book researched and written in a month. I guess this is cheaper than using GPT-3 and having to prune out the flights of fancy/complete nonsense that GPT-3 can sometimes generate.

From the video, it is $2500 for a 25,000 word book, written in 25 days. That is $100 per day writing 1000 words per day. If this takes you 8 hours per day, that is $12.50 per hour. If you can do this every month, that is $30,000 per year. A comfortable wage for some people, and poverty wages for others. It also seems like a difficult pace to research a topic and write 1000 words per day, and seems like miserable work…

>If this takes you 8 hours per day, that is $12.50 per hour.

It probably hardly takes 8 hours a day. More like 3-4 or even 2. 8 hours for 1000 words is for much higher quality 1000 words...

Re: Fake Books

#108
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10,000? Could it be 100,000? I have to write 10,000 words overnight occasionally in my role. If it’s $2500 for 10k words, maybe I should be ghostwriting…

10,000 words on a random subject that you probably never heard about before?

You'd be surprised...

It's not that they care about much fidelity to the subject or going deep anyway.

And half of the work or more is rewritting (sometimes not even that) other sources, like online articles and such

Re: Fake Books

#109
post #63

Amazon is full of fake/generated/auto translated books in every category. Just search for any programming language and sort it by release date. I don't understand why they don't fix this problem. It's pretty easy to fix and all those sales don't generate a significant amount of revenue for Amazon considering the negative experience for clients. Such books are pretty easy to spot since the majority of reviews are writ…

Affects older books too. I've found books that were very obviously printed scans of library books, including dog-ears, missing pages and the odd pencil lines. https://www.marginalia.nu/shitty-book/pencil2.webp https://www.marginalia.nu/shitty-book/fadeout.webp https://www.marginalia.nu/shitty-book/pencil.webp Appears they're printing these on demand on essentially bleached office-grade paper. The orange tint is from…

I wonder if having a swarm of people buy these items, then returning them since they clearly don't match the expected result from the description, would hurt the sellers enough so they would stop doing this sort of scam.

Re: Fake Books

#110
post #100
post #4

I think the problem is Amazons fundamentally broken reviews system. Seems like the fake review bots are a lot smarter than the anti-measures applied by Amazon. And the fun part is that both parties are probably running on AWS ;)

I think the problem is [bra] fake books and [ket] Amazons... I think the problem is [left] fake books and [Quote sign] Amazons... Okay, on the third try I read less and more. Still, it felt ugly.

I thought it's just a fancy way to write (something and) something more important.
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