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Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by anaisbetts »

sonoriyuu wrote: post #83
anaisbetts wrote: post #33

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It is a KKK-level hate site against LGBT people and particularly trans women, that actively seeks to terrorize them by doxxing them and their family members. Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre.

The Christchurch massacre wasn't initiated by a KF user or initially streamed there. That happened on Facebook. KF "only" archived and reposted the video and manifesto by the Christchurch terrorist. This is illegal in New Zealand and the police asked KF to release the data of all NZ users commenting on the video, which JM refused to do since it's an overreach and they legally run under an US entity thus don't have to…

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Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by api »

zo1 wrote: post #79
api wrote: post #42

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The right supports the right of private businesses to decide who to serve unless they are kicking out right wingers in which case we need government intervention to guarantee a platform. It’s sort of like how they support federalism except when states do things they don’t like, or small government except for when it comes to their pet issues.

As much as I agree with the free-market/private company angle. I also have to say that we are all in a "culture" war, or a war for mindshare in the general public. You have to understand that the right is losing. Sanity and nuance and reasonable thought are losing too, let's be frank about that. Just look at the crazy discussions about any heated topic like race, gender, and now the war in Ukraine to see that. That i…

We certainly are in an era of hyper polarization. I blame the social media algorithms. It maximizes engagement.

That being said I don’t think this line of thinking applies to Kiwi Farms. There are loads of conservative mags and podcasts and blogs online that argue against e.g. aspects of the trans movement. They do not get kicked off their ISPs because they do not doxx and cyberbully people to the point of suicide.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by sonoriyuu »

haswell wrote: post #46
josephcsible wrote: post #27

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Yes, but when they are, we should just fix them, rather than resorting to vigilantism.

> rather than resorting to vigilantism Where/how is vigilantism occurring?

It's vigilantism in the sense that people are trying to take down their service on every possible layer (in this case: peering/infrastructure) but no one is willing to make a legal case against them.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by haswell »

immibis wrote: post #99
haswell wrote: post #46

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> rather than resorting to vigilantism Where/how is vigilantism occurring?

Kiwifarms users are engaging in vigilantism against their targets, and it's not even vigilantism for a real crime - it's vigilantism for the "crime" of being transgender.

I believe the parent comment was implying vigilantism on the part of ISPs/providers for the actions they’ve taken against KF.

I agree that the participants there are engaging in something closer to vigilantism, although I don’t think they actually believe they have a righteous cause, they’re just unabashedly intolerant and enjoy harassing people which is something else.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by immibis »

bigshell wrote: post #63
d_e_solomon wrote: post #40

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We keep seeing actions from Kiwifarms that include doxing, swatting,and cyber bullying that lead to the suicide and death of people. If you're saying that swatting is free speech, then we've pushed the idea of speech beyond all reasonable boundaries and have decided that speech just means that people are free from consequences of their actions.

Have you visited this website? I have. I found what I assume to be doxes which you have to log in to the website if you'd like to view, but that's factual information, why is the statement of factual information so heinous that this website must be taken off the internet? I saw some pretty mean things, but nobody was saying that you should go say these things on other people's profiles, they just kept these mean thin…

Hello readers. "bigshell" lives at 1539 William St SE, Albuquerque, New Mexico. How about all you folks who think "bigshell" is incorrect go and show him your numbers?

 

Now, this isn't bigshell's real address. This is a random place from Google Maps and in fact I picked a gap between existing addresses just in case. But tell me, bigshell, if this had been your real address, would you be okay with it?

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by immibis »

boppo1 wrote: post #38
d_e_solomon wrote: post #24

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Suddenly everyone who attacks Moon supposedly committed sexual assault and is a groomer or some other slanderous attack. Moon should put up or shut up.

Moon? Please loop me in. There is precedent for censorious tech conglomerates (reddit, at least) to defend people who are sex offenders. I'm no fan of Kiwifarms, but I'm also no fan of the DIY HRT guide Keffals runs that advises (often underage) people on doing home-chemistry to make hormones. Would be nice if the right could stop slandering every trans person as a mentally ill groomer and the left could stop labelin…

If you support Kiwifarms on free speech grounds, I absolutely don't see how you could fail to support a DIY HRT guide on the same free speech grounds.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by immibis »

boppo1 wrote: post #71
geofft wrote: post #58

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"Moon" is the name of the person who spoke the thing above that is being discussed in this thread. Advising underage people through a wiki on how to make hormones at home is neither sexual assault nor grooming as the term is conventionally understood. How could it be? You can't get in contact with an anonymous reader of information that has been published to the public. You have no idea what they do with that informa…

>...example of free speech Well, you have a point there. But if any of the screenshots of the 'catboy'(?) discord are real... I think there's probably a line being crossed.

Screenshots are easy enough to fake.
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