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Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by fattire »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #70
fattire wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's a non-linear editor roughly on par with Avid, Final Cut, or Premiere. With all due respect, this person has no idea what they're talking about. The Cut page (as opposed to the Edit page) is what's apparently to be included on iPad, but it's 100% as legit a NLE as any other. I wouldn't call After Effects a NLE per se, but the node-based corollary to AE in Resolve is called Fusion and doesn't appear to b…

Moved this response as an edit to the main comment on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33277308 instead, but keeping this comment rather than deleting it, because the replies to it have value to the discussion.

(You edited your comment to oblivion, but because it was so embarassingly wrong, I don't blame you.)

My original response:

"close enough to a NLE"?? What the--

DaVinci Resolve has included a standalone non-linear editor since 2014. Today it has every major feature one would expect from a NLE-- with the noted exception of a lack of some codecs in the Linux version due to licensing issues, AAC being conspicuously one of them. So ffmpeg is often needed for transcoding media. I have a fair amount of familiarity with Avid, Final Cut Pro (7, not X), and to a lesser degree Adobe Premiere, and some experience with other NLEs from OpenShot to iMovie to Lightworks to Blender's NLE. Not only is DVR a feature-packed NLE- it ALSO includes a ProTools-like audio editing component called Fairlight, a node-based 2d/3d After Effects-like component (which integrates neatly with Blender) called Fusion, and a best-in-class color grading tool, for which Resolve is probably best known, which has roots going back to the DaVinci color correction systems of the 1980s.

DaVinci Resolve has not one NLE interface, but TWO-- the traditional Avid-like Edit page, and a new "Cut Page" (the one that appears in the iPad demo videos), which I think first showed up in DaVinci Resolve 17 (18 is current) and that is meant as a faster UI for doing a rough assembly that heavily integrates with the "Speed Editor" specialized hardware. For a while, there were deals where the Speed Editor came free with a ($300) Studio License. Now, I think it's $400 maybe (?) The paid Studio version includes extra features like more plugins (many of which use neural networks to, say, infer depth or separate objects from backgrounds), headless python scripting, 3d audio, 8k export, and pro stuff like that.

I'm presuming the iPad version will also work with the Speed Editor (it can connect via bluetooth or USB).

And since you mentioned it, the Fusion-style node system is considered superior by many pros to the older layers-based system used by After Effects, which is why it has been adopted by newer software from Unreal to Blender to nuke, etc. Also, you can drop effects "on" clips and layers-- this can be done in the Edit page as per tradition, and works as expected.

Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux container as well for anyone who might be interested:

https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by Joeboy »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #70
fattire wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's a non-linear editor roughly on par with Avid, Final Cut, or Premiere. With all due respect, this person has no idea what they're talking about. The Cut page (as opposed to the Edit page) is what's apparently to be included on iPad, but it's 100% as legit a NLE as any other. I wouldn't call After Effects a NLE per se, but the node-based corollary to AE in Resolve is called Fusion and doesn't appear to b…

Moved this response as an edit to the main comment on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33277308 instead, but keeping this comment rather than deleting it, because the replies to it have value to the discussion.

> in any normal NLE, you put your effects on your clips, or your layers. You don't do that in Resolve, because it's grading software

You can add effects onto clips in the Resolve NLE. If you just want to use Resolve as an NLE (ie. you don't want to colour-grade your work or do complex VFX in Fusion), you don't need to go near a node graph.

Perhaps there is some pedantry to be done about whether it is an NLE or has an NLE. No dispute that it used to be colour grading software and the NLE was bolted on later (like a decade ago).

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by not_math »

samatman wrote: post #41
retskrad wrote: post #12

Apple massively increased the price of the the entire iPad line-up in Europe. It's going to be interesting to see what impact it will have on Apple's earnings. Will Apple's goodwill make people accept the new prices or will Apple's brand take a hit for increasing the price in times where people are financially vulnerable?

Apple doesn't need Europe. The region it's included in is worth 19% of Apple's business, and that region includes the Middle East, India, and Africa. Europe might be 10% of the business, maybe a bit more, maybe less. Worth keeping in mind. They're quite able to wind down business in Europe if the alternative is being forced to build their devices in a way they don't want. Raising prices to match the extra cost of doi…

Even if it's just 10%, you don't abandon 10% of your market. That's 8 billions for Apple just last quarter.

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by gamblor956 »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #28
mortenjorck wrote: post #19

This is "only" two of the seven modules included in the desktop version, but even just one would be a breakthrough on the iPad. The full DaVinci Resolve is nuts: it covers a complete, Hollywood-level workflow of DAM, editing, grading, sound, and VFX (with probably the most generous freemium model in existence, by a good margin). The iPad version covers one of the two edit workflows (the one more tailored to broadcast…

As long as folks don't think it's an NLE, because that's the one thing it isn't. (Even though half of its users try to use it for that, get stuck, post on the forum, and then get the other half yelling at them because "it's not an NLE". 17 and 18 took things in the right direction, but it's still going to take a few more versions before people giving it a shot because they think it's a free Premiere or After Effects…

DaVinci Resolve is professionally regarded as an NLE and has been for several versions. In some ways, it is a better NLE than Premiere.

While it was primarily grading software, Black Magic has stated its intent for it to be used as a general purpose video editing solution.

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by cowmix »

fattire wrote: post #101
TheRealPomax wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moved this response as an edit to the main comment on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33277308 instead, but keeping this comment rather than deleting it, because the replies to it have value to the discussion.

(You edited your comment to oblivion, but because it was so embarassingly wrong, I don't blame you.) My original response: "close enough to a NLE"?? What the-- DaVinci Resolve has included a standalone non-linear editor since 2014. Today it has every major feature one would expect from a NLE-- with the noted exception of a lack of some codecs in the Linux version due to licensing issues, AAC being conspicuously one o…

The "Cut Page" has been a godsend for me. I'm going through about 1500 hours of footage right now and that editing mode is the only thing that has made my task even remotely possible for me to pull off.

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by soneil »

bitL wrote: post #56
astorsnk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like they did it out of spite or greed - both the EUR and GBP have plummeted against the USD over the last year. One area they could look at though is outrageous storage premiums. The price jump between levels is now a joke.

300 to 600EUR increase for the most basic iPad is not reflecting 25% EUR collapse.

The european price is actually better than it was last time around, which is surprising. Using Irish numbers (because I'm Irish ..)

At announcement (Sept 2021), the 9th gen was $329 US, which was €280 (at the time). Plus +23% VAT gives us €345.22. The actual retail price was €399 - 15.5% higher?

At announcement, the 10th gen is $449 US, which is €459. Plus +23% VAT gives us $564.75. The actual retail price is €599 - 6.5% higher.

The hike is the increase in the base price, plus the exchange rate, plus the accompanying tax. We're actually closer to parity on this release than the last release.

(Also - you must admit rounding 399 to 300 is rather disingenuous.)

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by angry_octet »

dylan604 wrote: post #65
Melatonic wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem was I always found it to have weird holdovers in terms of UI from hardware integration days of colour correctors. Hopefully that is gone now. But for example you used to not be able to just drag your full screen viewing window to a second monitor - they forced you to get their little hardware PCIe card. Given that most Nvidia cards will do 10 bit colour now with the studio drivers I hope they have rethough…

They prefer for the GPU cores to be doing math rather than displaying image. That's why you can get away with the GPU not being in a full lane width slot. The little PCIe did more than just send out an HDMI signal back then as well, as most of it went to an SDI or even older analog component BNCs. No GPU I've ever seen has had those connectors.

NVIDIA Quadro FX SDI cards, ~2008-2020.

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Man BMD has been absolutely crushing it the last 2 years or so. The number of people I see jumping to resolve as their main NLE is staggering. They were often mocked when they jumped into the cinema camera game in the early 2010s and now their imaging hardware is a production mainstay at all levels of the industry.

I am very curious to see how their foray into iOS goes here. Could be huge. Frankly I just feel like I lack the imagination for what this opens up. Can’t wait to experiment!

Re: DaVinci Resolve for iPad

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Post by SSLy »

CharlesW wrote: post #20

This is a good reference for anyone complaining that the new iPad is "too powerful", which happened a bunch in the recent announcement threads. Yes, not everyone's going to be editing 8K video on their iPad, but everything that makes that possible makes lots of other current and future advanced use cases possible. For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad has an important part in Apple's mixed reality p…

> For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad has an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans.

The LIDAR is there to serve as a playground for the app developers, including in-house. A glorified dev board. I doubt iPads themselves will be a part of Apple's XR plans.

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