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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by kaladin_1 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:56 PM UTC

Nice one Jetbrains!!!

Let's see if this competition eventually leads to one of them launching something as snappy as vim but with IDE functionalities. VS Code is close but noticeably slows down as soon as you install many plugins.

With Fleet, newbies now have an alternative editor cum IDE.

Many people that were into programming in my University couldn't afford the kind of machine that would load IntelliJ or Jetbrains IDEs in short time. Rooting for Jetbrains to put up a good fight and recover some market share :)

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by dbrgn » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

pknerd wrote: post #93

Instead of coming up with a new project, why just they do not provide a community edition for each of their products? Currently they provide a CE edition for PyCharm only? I remember I loved the initial version of Goland a lot but found out it is not free and expired after a while, I switched back to VSCode and did not regret at all

"Instead of trying to innovate, why don't they just give out their existing products for free to customers that aren't willing to pay?"

Jetbrains make good products. And it's great that they're trying to explore the potential for a more lightweight editor based on their technology.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by kaba0 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

whycombagator wrote: post #78

dmitriid wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1] 1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refa…

Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…

Almost all of the jetbrain products are just intellij with a different set of plugins preinstalled (with perhaps the exception of clion which has a bit more native integration with debuggers), so you can quite likely just use intellij with a few plugins you want for everything.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by kaba0 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #88

dmitriid wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For some reason, some people are very reluctant to pay for tools, even though they use them every day in their job. This also really baffles me. You can see it a lot in various discussions even here on HN.

Because if your tooling is closed source (and if it's paid it almost certainly is) then your ability to maintain a project is dependent on some corporation's willingness to continue to support the tooling etc.

Most of intellij is open-source.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by gnerkus » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

I wish they'd provide more support for C++; CLion is incredibly slow on older Macbooks.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by nicce » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

keithnz wrote: post #51

_fat_santa wrote: post #45

This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…

webstorm is the way to go for react and other web type stuff... though I'm not sure if the intention of fleet is for it to be free forever or not.

Probably same than previous pricing model - you need license for commercial use.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by mgkimsal » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:59 PM UTC

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #98

mgkimsal wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than $120/year for an employee. https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl... Reduced pricing in year 2 and 3, but up front it's $600/year. And... while someone's base pay may be a lot, these sorts of 'extras' might come from a different budget. And when there are a dozen services you're paying $20-$50/month/seat for, I know some managers start to scrutinize things a bit more. "Can't you j…

The pricing for All Products Pack was initially much less( $249.00 in 2016), and since then, it became one of the minor bills that you just pay because it is so little. I really like the licensing model they employ.

It's now $289 from $249 for first year - for individual purchases. The corporate/business pricing - seat counts for a company vs tied to your individual name - is the (much?) higher price.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by CSDude » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:59 PM UTC

kburman wrote: post #100

Jetbrains seems so confident about future being full of collaboration. For me it would be very hard to work if someone else is also updating the codebase at the same time. Anyone working like can you share your experience

We prefer sync code reviews sometimes and it's easier.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by nicce » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

__warlord__ wrote: post #73

I installed this 30 min ago. 1. My M1 temp went from 28c to 60c 2. CPU utilization to 103%? 3. It's using 3.29Gb of RAM And it hasn't changed. With a single python project with 3k lines of code. VSCode sits at 280Mb and CPU temp around 28c. Edit: Vim + SpaceVim sitting at 17Mb :)

On my Linux, it barely consumes anything and opened 300k line code without a problem when VSCode crashed instead.

I guess the OS matters.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by onebot » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:01 PM UTC

I would love this if it wasn't also built on the Java runtime. I hoped the "from ground up" rewrite to include a new much more performant backend that didn't burn resources. To be fair, I even think VSCode is too slow. I have been loving Helix Editor since it gives a great out-of-the box experience for terminal. But craving a better VSCode replacement. Had high hopes for Fleet, but I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.