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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by jeroenhd »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #42

Side note, is anyone using one of these as a daily driver computer for development? The specs look decent enough and the price is cheaper than a laptop.

The stock OS comes with some weird stuff preconfigured (no encryption, weird partition layout, etc.) so it depends on how you use it. For example, you'll need to mount the system partition r/w for things like kernel updates and I wouldn't dare enable AUR on an OS explicitly designed to be updated through a third party update system without having a recovery disk handy at all times. This limitation has some impact (i.e. installing DisplayLink drivers can be a challenge) but it's still Arch but fancy.

Hook it up to a dock and it should work and perform like a laptop. With a decent CPU, quick SSD and 16GB of RAM you should be able to do certain types of dev work quite comfortably if you hook up a display or two, a mouse and a keyboard.

The thing just runs Flatpak so stuff like VS Code and Jetbrains products will run perfectly fine.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by cauefcr »

matsemann wrote: post #35
some-human wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play the wide range of homebrew switch software created by the vast homebrew community the switch has, of course. https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Applications

Yeah, no one really believes that.

Why does that matter? It's like torrents and Linux distributions, perfectly legal, it's not the software developers intent that makes the file sharing be legal or not, it's the users usage of such software.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by LukaD »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #87
RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

I'd prefer a system, where the author has to actually and actively be trying to make money in a specific market, before the copyright can be applied in that specific case (as with trademark law, where the owner has to actively protect the trademark). Some nintendo games are currently not available anywhere (from nintendo or from original publisher), but if you copy/download that rom, you can get fined due to fictiona…

Downloading roms is certainly not illegal, sharing them is. From my experience most older Nintendo games are not available for purchase. I would gladly pay to play classic Pokémon for example games on the switch (or on Steam).

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by jrm4 »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #55
RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

> We don't know the revenue Nintendo derives from virtual console sales, but you can be assured that virtually none of it is making it to the creators which is who copyright is designed to protect. I too have many gripples with copyright but this is simply wrong. Copyright is designed to protect the rightsholder . Whether it is a person or a company is irrelevant. This isn't a conspiracy or cynical-type explanation,…

Nah, let's go further.

Copyright is designed "to promote the progress of Science and Useful Arts."

That should be the first question.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by devwastaken »

Gigachad wrote: post #83
devwastaken wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

The DMCA does not exist in all countries. It's perfectly legal to break DRM in many places.

And? Valve is U.S. based, as are most of its users given the cost of hardware in u.s. dollars is out of reach of most of the world.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by jrm4 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #29
devwastaken wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

I will admit that I am mildly concerned with this myself. I dislike that everywhere now there are youtube videos showing off how you can make play Switch games, but on Deck. We are effectively forcing Nintendo's hands. While it was a niche thing, they mostly didn't have to care and now they might have to.. Things MAY work out to the benefit of regular users ( though often they work out to the benefit of those with be…

This attitude of "fearing Nintendo" strikes me as incredibly weird. Force 'em, who cares? That's competition. Love the Wii, but also it's obviously that they've had to make some terrible deals with the devil for the Switch.

And this is because Steam's model is broadly superior, for the simple fact that respects both creators and users autonomy more.

Nintendo can catch up to the times or Nintendo can get it's lunch eaten. But that's on them.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

jrm4 wrote: post #104
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We don't know the revenue Nintendo derives from virtual console sales, but you can be assured that virtually none of it is making it to the creators which is who copyright is designed to protect. I too have many gripples with copyright but this is simply wrong. Copyright is designed to protect the rightsholder . Whether it is a person or a company is irrelevant. This isn't a conspiracy or cynical-type explanation,…

Nah, let's go further. Copyright is designed "to promote the progress of Science and Useful Arts." That should be the first question.

That sounds right, and the Constitution does seem to say that, but the Sonny Bono Copyright Act, which extended the copyright protections for old, already-existing works, was found to be constitutional, and so I must conclude that you are somehow mistaken.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by jrm4 »

p1necone wrote: post #31
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will admit that I am mildly concerned with this myself. I dislike that everywhere now there are youtube videos showing off how you can make play Switch games, but on Deck. We are effectively forcing Nintendo's hands. While it was a niche thing, they mostly didn't have to care and now they might have to.. Things MAY work out to the benefit of regular users ( though often they work out to the benefit of those with be…

Emulation hasn't been a niche thing since the 90s, emulating older systems has always been wildly popular. Emulating the Switch specifically is maybe a niche thing because the emulators are relatively new, the system is still sold and you can easily buy the games.

Ironic given how many Switch games are old games and/or games for other systems.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by beachy »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #87
RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

I'd prefer a system, where the author has to actually and actively be trying to make money in a specific market, before the copyright can be applied in that specific case (as with trademark law, where the owner has to actively protect the trademark). Some nintendo games are currently not available anywhere (from nintendo or from original publisher), but if you copy/download that rom, you can get fined due to fictiona…

Whatever the merits of your sugggestion, verifying that a company was "actually and actively be trying to make money" would be wide open to abuse and practically speaking, impossible.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by jrm4 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #107
jrm4 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, let's go further. Copyright is designed "to promote the progress of Science and Useful Arts." That should be the first question.

That sounds right, and the Constitution does seem to say that, but the Sonny Bono Copyright Act, which extended the copyright protections for old, already-existing works, was found to be constitutional, and so I must conclude that you are somehow mistaken.

"Mistaken" is a weird word here, probably because we do this thing where we think of law as being etched in stone. It's not. It's 100% fluid all the time, but it's hard to see because it's slow.

Disney and Sonny Bono hired some lawyers to ramrod some dumb crap through. It happens. Let's see if we can fix it.

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