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Shrinking Mississippi River Puts American Farm Trade at Risks

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Re: Shrinking Mississippi River Puts American Farm Trade at Risks

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Post by vkou »

TylerE wrote: post #91
vkou wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sum total of every single American lawn occupies less than 0.5% of the overall land area of the continental US. Meanwhile, if 'emissions from passenger cars in the US' were a country, they'd be the sixth largest carbon polluter in the world. Not to mention the millions of years of life lost to traffic, air pollution, crashes, and their contribution to our sedentary lifestyles.

The west is currently in extreme drought. The amount of water used on lawns in places like Arizona is absolutely obscene.

It's a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of water used for agriculture, especially for raising beef.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

hinkley wrote: post #47
Turing_Machine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we are quickly running out of patience for grandfather clauses. Who is "we"? Who put you in charge of speaking for everyone?

Start at the south end of the Colorado for the loudest voices, and then work your way north. So that's the entire country of Mexico who wonders where their river went, and the people upstream who are progressively less effected by the reduced flow. Then add in environmentalists and conservationists. You can't preserve wetland plants and animals when there's no wetland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Del…

> So that's the entire country of Mexico who wonders where their river went

Why is it "their river" more than, say, Colorado's river?

And, once again, who put you in charge of speaking for them?

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Post by tomrod »

dismalpedigree wrote: post #42
tomrod wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on my experience, lawns are the bigger sacred cow. Cars get vilified in certain places. Lawns? Just me and my friends on /r/nolawns and similar subreddits. My rare mowing brings rabbits, frogs, insects of all kinds. Few mosquitoes, as there are critters that eat them. We keep the front trim (short) without seeding but the back a bit wild. My neighbors? They complain sometimes. They are the ones who voted out th…

Voted out the HOA? Tell me more.

At least in my current state, the HOA has regulations that enable the voting out of the HOA should that be what the association members want. This dissociates the entity, much like a corporation dissolving.

I assume this is consistent in many states in the US.

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #99
drewm1980 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Environmental conservation laws should be considered a matter of national security. We need to mobilize the military industrial complex on the side of the environment before everything dies.

Ah yes, “we need to bend the procedures for the stuff I think is important.”

I think they're just advocating for more conservation laws, right? That is the procedures, not a bending of them.

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #104
rayiner wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, “we need to bend the procedures for the stuff I think is important.”

I think they're just advocating for more conservation laws, right? That is the procedures, not a bending of them.

Invocation of “national security” generally implies some sort of bending or exceptions to the ordinary rules. “We can’t reveal those documents because of national security.” “We need to indefinitely detain those terrorists because of national security.”

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

hinkley wrote: post #69
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #5

How can the article not mention that it ebbs and flows? They're making it alarmist sounding when it's just the natural state of the river.

Complex systems tend to fishtail when they're about to collapse. Peak output can go up while averages are declining.

This isnt excessively outside the deviation, see the quantitative. comment in this thread.

Re: Shrinking Mississippi River Puts American Farm Trade at Risks

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #102
hinkley wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Start at the south end of the Colorado for the loudest voices, and then work your way north. So that's the entire country of Mexico who wonders where their river went, and the people upstream who are progressively less effected by the reduced flow. Then add in environmentalists and conservationists. You can't preserve wetland plants and animals when there's no wetland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Del…

> So that's the entire country of Mexico who wonders where their river went Why is it "their river" more than, say, Colorado's river? And, once again, who put you in charge of speaking for them?

We did when we failed to marginalize such dolts decades ago.
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