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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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This is pretty cool; the internal messaging of big tech heads. Really interesting to see the way these bigshots converse; terse, to the point, no-nonsense.

No-Nonsense ? > "It's likely the best option. I just have doubts. But open" NO-NONSENSE ?

Where is the nonsense? He says he thinks it’s the best solution but is not 100% sure about it so he’s open to discussion.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Shame he couldn't do anything about that when he was either CEO, chairman or on the board of Twitter (for most of its existence). As Bloomberg said yesterday: "Twitter Is in This Mess Because Jack Dorsey Was Too Busy Being a Bitcoin Influencer" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/twitter-t... https://archive.ph/7ugqn

It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with the wrong kind of non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore. To me it seems this is what happened to Larry & Sergey, too.

> It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore.

I fixed a redundancy for you.

Otherwise, spot on, and if I had one of those vinyl printers my wife uses to put things like “Home is where your heart is” on the wall, I’d print this, and hang it secretly on the bathroom walls at work.

I’m experiencing this right now sadly. Came to work at a company a decade ago with a lot of equality and flat/low management. Engineers of various disciplines were predominantly middle/older, so there was a sense of “we’re all adults here” and it’s worked pretty well for a long time. But as staff is retiring and the business is growing because it forking worked well, the cry for more middle management to “scale” has been heard. Need point people. Points of responsibility. Because we can’t spare real engineers, these are often people with “some engineering in their background” or just know how to play the good buddy network really well and evoke a sense of “trust.” The relationship that’s emerging now with middle management layers is more the family structure. Instead of being a group of collaborative light management adults, the middle manager assumes the parent role, and the workers become the kids. They get to take less risk, be less responsible and avoid the “adulting” stuff that is (endless) meetings and the like. The management/parents obsess about the way their group/family is seen elsewhere in the company. Protecting them name and reputation takes an increased precedence. The “adult kids”, the experiences engineers who want to be treated like adults and not over managed, start looking for a new home to move to.

It’s sad really.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone else find this conversation awkward / cringe worthy? "Hey genius billionaire, what's up?" "Oh hey other genius billionaire..." "Let's do some shit because you know, the morons on the board didn't get it, I just didn't get my way so I left to do bitcoinz", "Off to dinner, later bro, let's solve all the problems tomorrow"... "Cool bro, I'll try buy the company and forfeit at the last minute when I realize I…

Struck me as sincere

Well they weren't performatively texting. I believe the critique is the comical level of hubris between these two.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

There is no solution for fixing web communication that doesn't involve uploading your ID every time you post something. The internet was, is and always will be a cesspool. It comes with anonimity and plausible deniability.

Even if you require ID, the internet will always feel less personal.

This started because of anonymity, but it could very well be embedded into the culture by now. Just because we feel that 'things on the internet do not count'. That is caused by anonymity; but also obscurity of your actions; the impersonal connection; the fact that you are communicating to the entire world; the fact that your interlocutor is someone you barely know, a lot of 'bad' digital communication is the first and last time two people are talking at each-other; and the fact that a lot of communication on the internet is largely performative because it is public.

In summary, removing anonymity alone will probably not get close to fixing things.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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-- Screenshot 1: [Jack Dorsey] "Yes, a new platform is needed. It can't be a company. This is why I left." [Jack Dorsey] " https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1507777913042571267?s=20... " [Elon Musk] "Ok" [Elon Musk] "What should it look like?" [Jack Dorsey] "I believe it must be an open source protocol, funded by a foundation of sorts that doesn't own the protocol, only advances it. A bit like what Signal has done.…

Does anyone else find this conversation awkward / cringe worthy? "Hey genius billionaire, what's up?" "Oh hey other genius billionaire..." "Let's do some shit because you know, the morons on the board didn't get it, I just didn't get my way so I left to do bitcoinz", "Off to dinner, later bro, let's solve all the problems tomorrow"... "Cool bro, I'll try buy the company and forfeit at the last minute when I realize I…

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with the wrong kind of non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore. To me it seems this is what happened to Larry & Sergey, too.

> that once your middle management is infested with the wrong kind of non-tech people Surely that's the responsibility of the CEO/chairman/board who recruit and direct the staff?

Over a long enough time, everything is. The question is whether they had a better alternative along the path. If many/most companies are infested, the wrong kind of middle management must be quite common. If it’s quite common, avoiding hiring from it (or avoiding the effects when you do) could be very difficult. It’s still a problem that lands on their desks, but might be less “how could they be so stupid?!” than portrayed above.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with the wrong kind of non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore. To me it seems this is what happened to Larry & Sergey, too.

> that once your middle management is infested with the wrong kind of non-tech people Surely that's the responsibility of the CEO/chairman/board who recruit and direct the staff?

Yes, but it's easy to get overwhelmed during that explosive growth phase and, well, see the Steve Jobs anecdote about "A players". Once the damage is done it's hard/impossible to undo.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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"I want to to be decentralized and not open to government interference"

So what happens when it's taken over by terrorists? What happens when, much like every "right-wing alternative", it becomes filled with propaganda-addicted radicals planning and organizing real-world violence? What happens when the kiddy-diddlers fill it with CSAM?

"Ok, I want to have the ability to ban people, block content, suppress views"

So, twitter?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Bloomberg are idiots talking out of their asses. They have never worked in tech companies

This is funny, because that's exactly the thing "The Old Industries" said before being disrupted by tech companies.

Bloomberg itself is "the old industries", in several domains including supposed-journalism. In the parlance of starry-eyed overglorified bloggers, they're the "legacy media".
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