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Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Because “green energy”

It's not, its because it reached end of life, and the date we could've done something about it was ten years ago. I'm as pro-nuclear as you can be, since at least 2017 but especially since i've read about it, in 2019, but let's not blame nuclear failure on "green energy" when it's not. Nuclear tech have been abandonned by the general public and the politician since the 90s, and especailly after fuckushima, was faded…

Yes.

We see how "well" it goes in France, where they kept nuclear going and now their reactors are rotting away under their butts and they have to import from Germany.

Life in Europe would be better if conservatives wouldn't have failed us and we actually had "green energy" by now...

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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This is exactly the wrong moment to be deciding policy by tweetstorm. These issues require an engineering report to digest, not soundbites. This person may not intend to produce soundbites, but if it makes a good Twitter chain it is a string of sound bites. I can't distinguish this thread from one of those crazy-lists people sometimes put together. It is too disjointed and lacks citations or developed thoughts.

Or at least we have to assume that the people that managed to make the feat that he boasts about, know what they are doing: > The European electricity grid is a modern miracle. It is the largest synchronous electrical grid (by connected power) in the world. It interconnects 520 million end-customers in 32 countries, including non-European Union members such as Morocco or Turkey. But then he makes a sharp turn to: > H…

> non-European Union members such as

and since 2022, also Ukraine and Moldova

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Or at least we have to assume that the people that managed to make the feat that he boasts about, know what they are doing: > The European electricity grid is a modern miracle. It is the largest synchronous electrical grid (by connected power) in the world. It interconnects 520 million end-customers in 32 countries, including non-European Union members such as Morocco or Turkey. But then he makes a sharp turn to: > H…

Aparently those people creating the grid have been replaced, at all levels, by ideological do gooders led by politicians with the sole goal of ruining industry and living standards. According to authors like the one who's article we are discussing.

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Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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It’s hard to be sympathetic when this situation was so obvious and preventable. This is what short term greed and irresponsible governance looks like.

The vast majority of the affected aren't the ones responsible for this mess, why is it hard to be sympathetic for those people?

TBH, the majority is responsible for electing right-wing governments or coalitions that have put their head where their wallet is: pumping up profits of their friends and well-doers, lowering taxes, and privatizing and further ignoring infrastructure and governmental duties (and ignoring climate change, long-term changes in society, etc.). It hurts me to say that the many of the former social-democratic, and quite a few of the green, parties simply participated.

So the majority might be partially responsible. If you disagree hard, we'll be heading into "politeia" discussions, king-philosophers and what not.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

I wonder if it is cost effective going forward to install two meters and panels on every house with one being “essential” and the other being “intermittent” so the power company has the option of blacking out the intermittent boxes only. I’d rather have all my computers, lights, etc shut down than my whole house.

You might be better off capping the power for each home and letting their occupants decide what is essential or not.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Here's what rich countries are doing in general: outbidding pour countries for the limited amount of resources available in the short term. I lived in Switzerland and of course they are doing great, but Swiss people won't be the ones freezing to death in winter. Also the amount of LPG redirected from India and Pakistan to Europe will have a huge effect on those countries. In Hungary the country is trying to get back…

>Here's what rich countries are doing in general: outbidding pour countries for the limited amount of resources available in the short term. Not just energy, but food, vaccines, medical supplies, consumer products, etc. This has always been the case but now it's at the point where third world countries will probably have major civil unrest and emigration due to the shortages of food and energy they will face from bei…

EU food is (was?) flooding markets all around it due to being cheaper and higher quality even after import taxes/customs duty.

Should've bought local, but as someone from a poor country neighbouring the EU - fuck that, learn to make quality or you deserve to go under. I'm not paying 2.5x the price for local atrocious quality.

And farmers saying lack of rain will ruin them can Google "artificial irrigation" on their gigabit fiber and unlimited 4G. But hey, I guess those new BMWs were worth it.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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I am happy I got solar earlier this year. I thought it would be very expensive but we are very frugal with energy and it only was 7k euro to go off grid. During the day we can run anything (tons of sun so washing, dish washing, etc etc), during the night less so but we go to bed early (21:00) and get up at 5.

We keep talking about alternative energy's importance in reducing fossil fuel emissions. But here is another example of why alternative energy is so important. It provides diversification from shortages and geopolitical nonsense that can your lifestyle. If you can get solar for yourself, get it while still being connected to the electric grid. You will have a much more reliable energy system than just relying on the…

I agree but here you have to spend a lot more and do a lot of paperwork to connect to the grid; easier to just go off. But yes, you are right.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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I am happy I got solar earlier this year. I thought it would be very expensive but we are very frugal with energy and it only was 7k euro to go off grid. During the day we can run anything (tons of sun so washing, dish washing, etc etc), during the night less so but we go to bed early (21:00) and get up at 5.

Did you have to go through a lot of bureaucracy to get the whole thing installed?

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Use more pay more is pretty simple and implemented - and the lowest tiers are really cheap. The complicated one is daily tiers - when power is more or less expensive at different times.

are daily tiers and dynamic pricing really needed for consumers, shoudn't it even out on the long term? Until recently it worked quite well for a energy supplier to supply me with a fixed rate for a year and still making profit (when I take a look at their yearly earnings report, I think I also subsidized heavy users with my low usage :D). over a year the price should average out quite nicely when I look at the energ…

yeahh I see or just preload the washing machine and trigger it if the spupply is high .. but that means a lot of interconnected appliances.

I'm also planning to add one or two small 800Wp PV systems "Balkonsolar" to our flat (we have plenty of space on the south facing side) this will also involves pre planning for energy intensive stuff including a planned AC in the summer... let's see how this works out :)

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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I wonder if it is cost effective going forward to install two meters and panels on every house with one being “essential” and the other being “intermittent” so the power company has the option of blacking out the intermittent boxes only. I’d rather have all my computers, lights, etc shut down than my whole house.

You might be better off capping the power for each home and letting their occupants decide what is essential or not.

People in general are idiots and would freeze to death at the end of the month just as they roll to credit when the paycheck dries up.

You’d have to do it on a day to day basis or hourly. That could actually work - use too much power in an hour or day and it shuts off for awhile.

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