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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by trasz »

theironhammer wrote: post #94
Someone wrote: post #27

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> The only real diplomatic path is to convince China to sever with Russia, and thats not gonna happen. It’s not going to fully happen, but Putin met Xi Jinping in Uzbekistan last week, and returned a bit disappointed. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/16/world/vladimir-... : “President Vladimir Putin acknowledged Thursday that China had “questions and concerns” about Russia’s war in Ukraine, a notable, if cry…

China needs Russia. As tensions rise between China and USA regarding hegemony China will need Russian commodities. This is why Nixon sought to keep China and Russia separate. I don't know what the US State department's strategy is with Ukraine except to become energy supplier to Europe and grind Russia down. But in the process make China stronger?

Which commodities? The only useful thing Russia can offer China is gas, and that’s only because it’s cheap.

Well, another thing China might want from Russia is Manchuria, but it’s not the time I think.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by frozencell »

generj wrote: post #59
diimdeep wrote: post #58

Can anyone clarify something that I have recently heard in interview (Russian language)[1]: that U.S. citizens believe that U.S. defeated Nazis and won WW2, and not USSR. Is this in your experience is mostly true or false ? [1] https://youtu.be/Q0oRii7zV9A?t=1973

The broadly accepted view is that the USSR won their front of the war using American supplies and Russian blood. And that the western fronts would have been far worse except for the Eastern front bleeding Germany dry. The US won against Japan essentially without help from the USSR.

Fun facts: - Wall Street partly funded the Russian communism revolution.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

alkonaut wrote: post #78
theironhammer wrote: post #42

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The Nuclear War threat is not a joke. Just imagine if China or Russia had the same activities in Mexico or Canada that the USA/NATO has had in the Ukraine over many years. How would Washington react?

What activities are that? And was it these activities that made it possible to completely ignore international laws on territorial integrity and warrant and invade Ukraine outright? No. All this “but USA!”, “but NATO!”, “but the Nazis!” whataboutism is complete nonsense. It doesn’t even begin to explain one country invading a neighbor with 125k men, leveling entire cities and killing thousands of civilians. Even maki…

1993 Ukraine joined a cooperative organization that effectively made them a defacto NATO member. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/07/27/US-and-Ukraine-sign-...

2013 Viktoria Nuland orchestrated a coup to oust Yanukovych because he changed his mind at signing an economic agreement with EU and signed one with Russia instead. A pro Western leader was put in place. https://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukrain...

Since 2014 NATO has been training Ukrainian forces. https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/nato-has-been-training-ukr...

Cuba was not allowed to have Soviet missiles but it's ok for Ukraine to become a member of NATO?

The "Nazis" should not be underestimated. They are small but powerful because they use violence and intimidation. Like the Cartels influence with law enforcement in Mexico they influence policy in Ukraine.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by kranke155 »

theironhammer wrote: post #92
heneryville wrote: post #76

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Why do people keep throwing out John Meersheimer like we've never heard of him before. We're 6 months into this thing and we've read him by now. We just think he's wrong. Is he still asking for a return to the Minsk accords like that's even plausible at this point? Meersheimer hasn't really added much new thought since the war started. Mostly it's just, "we could have avoided this by giving Putin what he wanted", whi…

Yes Ukraine is the biggest loser here. EU a distant second. Washington's goal is to become the defacto supplier of gas and oil to Europe and cut Russia right out of the market thereby crippling them financially. And the War in Ukraine helps to deplete Russia's military strength. This is a dangerous game as Washington is gambling that Putin won't go Nuclear even if he's losing. Moreover, so far it's just succeeded int…

What? The US master plan is to replace Russia? Years in the making it must be.

The US would be perfectly content not doing so - in fact this only happened because Russia has committed a monstrous war of aggression.

The US had no say in becoming Europe’s gas supplier. It happened because Europe’s preferred gas supplier is a criminal state.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by The_Stone »

Garvi wrote: post #77
secabeen wrote: post #49

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If you are making claims about suppressed media, why not include links to said media or information about them? Some might be interested in the documentary or the speech you mentioned.

Fully intentional. As well as not mentioning the name of the prominent Hollywood director. If you're too afraid to google it, the 1984 comments in this thread bashing Russia will create their own gravity well from the irony displayed. Am a EU citizen, a communicologist and programmer.

If it's censored so effectively, how do you expect people to find it via googling based on vague allusions? If you believe this is so important, why be so vague in the first place? This is not how speaking in good faith looks.

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Post by skissane »

namelessoracle wrote: post #62
kranke155 wrote: post #47

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I know those arguments and reject them. Hopefully you will too eventually. Feeling wronged gives Russia no right to trample on the sovereignty of 40 million Ukrainians - who wanted to join NATO of their own free will. Anyway.

Thats irrelevant to the decision points Putin has in front of him. It's pretty clear he thought he would just roll in and take over Ukraine in the first month, the West seemed to think so too. Now thats not true and it's clearly a mistake what are his options? Withdrawal and losing is likely to end up with him dead, maybe his family too. Keeping at it MIGHT still see him win the day, especially if energy prices in Eu…

> Withdrawal and losing is likely to end up with him dead, maybe his family too.

I think the number one reason he doesn't quit, is not fear of being killed, it is the damage quitting would do to his ego and reputation. Is death the thing that scares Putin the most? Maybe, his reputation is more important to him than his life.

And if he really wanted to go, I'm sure some Middle Eastern country would be happy to grant him asylum, where he would be quite safe from anyone who wanted to physically harm him. Safety for his family could easily be arranged as well.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ajl666 »

def_true_false wrote: post #75
ajl666 wrote: post #35

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That's not a rebuttal dummy. Do you want the legitimacy debate confers your position? Then debate. None of my points are any one else's talking points. That's a sign of a non-dogmatic thinker, dummy.

You ignore that entities other than 'the West' (one homogenous blob apparently) and Russia have agency. NATO doesn't expand, countries voluntarily join because they don't want Russia to fuck them over (again). Your points have been made by Mearsheimer and his ilk many times before. You people keep asserting that Russia is a superpower without backing it up with anything. Your worldview is stuck in the Cold War, you a…

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by topspin »

trasz wrote: post #100
topspin wrote: post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

>Iran is flying in large quantities of drones that will expose Ukraine's forces to effective Russian artillery. Not really, Russia doesn’t have precision guided munitions. Ukraine - or NATO - is at least decade ahead technologically, maybe two.

> Not really, Russia doesn’t have precision guided...

Russia has ample artillery. While they're blind it isn't very effective. Drones correct that deficiency, which is why Russian drones are a serious threat.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by mnsc »

theironhammer wrote: post #104
alkonaut wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What activities are that? And was it these activities that made it possible to completely ignore international laws on territorial integrity and warrant and invade Ukraine outright? No. All this “but USA!”, “but NATO!”, “but the Nazis!” whataboutism is complete nonsense. It doesn’t even begin to explain one country invading a neighbor with 125k men, leveling entire cities and killing thousands of civilians. Even maki…

1993 Ukraine joined a cooperative organization that effectively made them a defacto NATO member. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/07/27/US-and-Ukraine-sign-... 2013 Viktoria Nuland orchestrated a coup to oust Yanukovych because he changed his mind at signing an economic agreement with EU and signed one with Russia instead. A pro Western leader was put in place. https://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-u…

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-us-promoted-and-financed-t...

> Ukrainians spontaneously united against the actions of President Viktor Yanukovych after his government refused to sign the Association Agreement with the European Union, which had taken seven years to negotiate, due to pressure from Russia.

If the Ukrainians spent 7 years wanting to get closer to the west and then as you say "[Yanukovych] changed his mind". I think it's easy to see the populace wanting to oust this leader and that the following leader would be pro western, like the leaders in the seven prior years.

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