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Re: What I’ve learned from users

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Coinbase ipo'ed and Instacart about to ipo, that's not a bad batch from a purely investment perspective.

Coinbase? they're down 80% since their IPO (I am a shareholder); I suppose if the checkbox is "they IPOd" then sure.

Shareholder since IPO vs when YC invests

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#102

PGs take on why early stage VCs gain so much experience reminds me of my opinions on why car sales is the best sales experience. I sold cars for almost a decade and was pretty good at it averaging 30 cars a month. That means every year I helped people sign for $16 million of products. In the end I probably sold 3000 cars for over $100 million. (Note, I stayed in it way too long. I think most of these benefits would c…

Interesting. I rank buy a car from a new car salesman as the worst consumer experience of my life. So much so that I've since bought used cars and in the future hope to buy a Tesla in large part to avoid that experience. I understand that it could greatly benefit the salesperson in understanding the social psychology of the consumer ... but never again will I subject myself to that process.

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#103

PGs take on why early stage VCs gain so much experience reminds me of my opinions on why car sales is the best sales experience. I sold cars for almost a decade and was pretty good at it averaging 30 cars a month. That means every year I helped people sign for $16 million of products. In the end I probably sold 3000 cars for over $100 million. (Note, I stayed in it way too long. I think most of these benefits would c…

It sounds like a heck of a training course. What are some of the things you learned?

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Coinbase ipo'ed and Instacart about to ipo, that's not a bad batch from a purely investment perspective.

Coinbase? they're down 80% since their IPO (I am a shareholder); I suppose if the checkbox is "they IPOd" then sure.

Down 80% from IPO but with a market cap above 10 billion. Compared to when YC invested I think that’s still pretty good

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#105

Prompted by the negative feedback that this essay received, ranging from being a sales pitch in disguise, to being a word salad going in all directions without answering the central question posed by the author right in the opening paragraphs, I had to go and re-examine the piece and see if these concerns are valid or not, and unexpectedly the second reading reaffirmed my initial positive reaction that this is actual…

> without answering the central question posed by the author right in the opening paragraphs

I love that it doesn't and how it doesn't. I also find it hilarious that we have been so trained by SEO and modern day marketing gurus to expect The Answer (either roughly 90% down the page or alternatively within a list of 10 short, bulleted paragraphs) that an open question makes people uncomfortable.

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I’m eagerly waiting for one concrete example, and none are to be found. Were you looking for testimonials embedded in the essay to meet your expectations? Of course, this wouldn't be acceptable as it would turn the piece unmistakably into a sales pitch for his product cementing your suspicions about the nature or motives behind authoring this post, a viewpoint which by the way I don't necessarily share. This ty…

Testimonials, despite carrying the baggage of being a marketing term, are a legitimate form of evidence, especially if the people giving testimony are named in full. It affects their reputation if either they or the company they are testifying for are disreputable. It’s true that independent reporting will be more likely to provide a balanced and objective assessment, but at the same time, opinionated articles like t…

Testimonials in general are like these cheesy or sleazy infomercials on home shopping channels, fake and worthless and that's why they earned the bad reputation that they have.

Also, it is not even that the essay itself is totally bereft of real world examples to support his thesis, when he actually cited Airbnb as a case of coming around, and applying the practical advice given to the founders by YC to deliver value.

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#107

PGs take on why early stage VCs gain so much experience reminds me of my opinions on why car sales is the best sales experience. I sold cars for almost a decade and was pretty good at it averaging 30 cars a month. That means every year I helped people sign for $16 million of products. In the end I probably sold 3000 cars for over $100 million. (Note, I stayed in it way too long. I think most of these benefits would c…

This is interesting because as a car buyer, the only experience I want is car sellers quoting me prices until I get the lowest one. All via email.

Re: What I’ve learned from users

#108
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This essay is getting a surprising amount of hate, and I must confess that my first impression on reading it was that it sounded an awful lot like a Robert Kiyosaki book [1]. But then I followed the two links in the essay [2] [3] and that put it into perspective: the thing that Paul learned from his users is that they are looking for The Answer, the formula, the procedure for how to succeed, and there is no such form…

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Re: What I’ve learned from users

#110

PGs take on why early stage VCs gain so much experience reminds me of my opinions on why car sales is the best sales experience. I sold cars for almost a decade and was pretty good at it averaging 30 cars a month. That means every year I helped people sign for $16 million of products. In the end I probably sold 3000 cars for over $100 million. (Note, I stayed in it way too long. I think most of these benefits would c…

One thing I learned about the industry is that dealership salespeople are hired from the same pool as, say, McDonalds employees. These are not college graduates who have white-collar job offers. They join with no existing skills at low wage. Turnover is massive, the average sales agent leaves within a year. Meanwhile, the whole industry is pushing hard to adopt Tesla's model of fixed pricing and replacing people with software.
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