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No, it's a legitimate argument. If the British had taken possession of an object from an Indian tribe in California in 1800, who would be entitled to it? The U.S. government? The government of Mexico? The State of California? The Tribes' descendants? Possession is 9/10 of the law.
Yes, for your hypothetical object, all of those parties would have a more legitimate claim than the British, and so I'd argue that any of them would be a step in the right direction (though more specifically, I'd say the tribes' descendants have the most legitimate claim). By the way, there are many examples of colonizing European countries refusing to return things they took during colonization where that "we don't…
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No, it's a legitimate argument. If the British had taken possession of an object from an Indian tribe in California in 1800, who would be entitled to it? The U.S. government? The government of Mexico? The State of California? The Tribes' descendants? Possession is 9/10 of the law.
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So instead of an an actual solution to the given problem you resorted to snark? Timeless.
Art and historical objects circle through different museums all the time, it's not a new concept. "Gosh I plundered something from India or Pakistan, oh my whoever will I give it back to?!" isn't a serious issue
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"Give it back to local indigenous groups" is an entirely different thing from "Give it back to Mexico". What is now California was never controlled by what is now Mexico until the Spanish colonizers showed up. The Aztecs (who were themselves brutal colonizers, as it happens) weren't running the show there or anything like that.
How far back does one go for indigenous groups? Kennewick Man, in the case of Washington State? How do we figure out which Indian tribe gets how much, of the dozens we know about in California history? Do we discount for those tribes that owned slaves?
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What about revenue generated from Waitrose Duchy Organic and other Crown owned but Private enterprises[0]? Not combative but actually curious, but I'd prefer an actual legal opinion on this, not some online commentator to be honest. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitrose_Duchy_Organic
Well I'm not qualified to give 'an actual legal opinion', so this is the best I can do: https://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/what-duchy-originals-it-any... To stray back into 'some online commentator' though, I believe that may be outdated: I think it's now wholly Waitrose, just a brand. (Notice there's no Essentials/Cooks Ingredients organic brand/products - if it's organic it's Duchy Organic.)
Not a fan of the British crown (why are they exempt from taxes during record high inflation) but who should they return the diamond to - Afghanistan (it was the Durranis that looted it from Nader Shah after he looted it from the Mughals), India (Maharaja Ranjit Singh took it as tribute from Shah Shuja after conquering Kashmir from the Durranis), or Pakistan (the Sikh Empire capital was Lahore and the Durrani Empire c…
If somebody stole this from the British today, they have no right to complain!
what about returning the Anglo Saxon Kingdom stolen by violence in 1066 and returning to Normandy and the Channel Islands while they are at it?
Not a fan of the British crown (why are they exempt from taxes during record high inflation) but who should they return the diamond to - Afghanistan (it was the Durranis that looted it from Nader Shah after he looted it from the Mughals), India (Maharaja Ranjit Singh took it as tribute from Shah Shuja after conquering Kashmir from the Durranis), or Pakistan (the Sikh Empire capital was Lahore and the Durrani Empire c…
Not a fan of the British crown (why are they exempt from taxes during record high inflation) The rest of your comment scans, but this bit seems weird to me. What does the rate of inflation have to do, with taxation? Some points: - we are no where near record inflation, at least not in the US and Canada, and I presume the UK too. I recall 18% being thrown around in the 80s. - changing tax policy due to inflation seems…
To your second point, CoL in London is basically LA level. London rents+council tax make rental prices SF level (around $1-2k/month in rent and around $1-2k/month in local property tax, which rentors apparently pay as well) while London median incomes are below poverty line LA or SF levels (around $40,000/year) [0], and inflation around 8-9%, the optics of a high net worth family exempt from Income Tax and Capital Gains tax unless they choose to incure it voluntariliy is very jarring.
[0] - https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/average-uk-salary
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Yes, for your hypothetical object, all of those parties would have a more legitimate claim than the British, and so I'd argue that any of them would be a step in the right direction (though more specifically, I'd say the tribes' descendants have the most legitimate claim). By the way, there are many examples of colonizing European countries refusing to return things they took during colonization where that "we don't…
But the Khedivate of Egypt has a direct successor state - the Arab Republic of Egypt. The Sikh Empire, Durrani Empire, and Princely state of Kashimr and Jammu do not - this is why tensions are always high between India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.