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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by endisneigh »

renewiltord wrote: post #96
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Maybe the Smart EQ Fortwo? Hard to get in the US and out of your price point, but if you're more interested in the vehicle than the price.

Funny that you mention that, I had a Smart Fortwo EV. Got destroyed by a Ford truck. I loved that little car.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ceejayoz »

thoughtstheseus wrote: post #21
jorblumesea wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad how green energy has become part of the culture wars, especially given many of the states most impacted by climate change (Florida, Texas) could benefit the most. They also have vast possibilities in green power.

In what way? Texas and Florida have the 2nd and 3rd most installed solar in the US by state

Republican politicians notably tried to blame the ice storm outages last year on green energy. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-...

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by RocketOne »

elif wrote: post #72
AmericanChopper wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.

Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by endisneigh »

elicash wrote: post #88
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Thoughts on LSVs?

Helps with the accidents but otherwise has most of the same disadvantages as a car.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sandworm101 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

>> Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density

That may be the doomsday scenario. Imagine we had a new battery tech today that could cram 1000+miles into a car in say 5 minutes. EV sales would spike. ICEs would disappear. Then everyone would get their new EV home ... and the national electricity grid would collapse.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by spullara »

jnwatson wrote: post #54
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.

That seems like a very low power charger that had nothing to do with the cold.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by osigurdson »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #11
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.

Is it not possible to take a Tesla off of the network by physically disconnecting something?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by iknowstuff »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

Norway says hello.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by BuckRogers »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Taking advantage of bike lanes in cities is a huge advantage for a battery/motor assisted bicycle, but I do most of what you describe with a Yamaha XT250. Just don't go out if it looks like rain. You have your helmet and pack a raincoat in case you get unlucky. To carry some groceries you could easily rig a small rack on the back where you can attach/detach a grated plastic crate. Then put some in a backpack.

I don't do all of that but I could easily do it. I'm at the stage of my life where owning a small truck like a Tacoma or Maverick makes a lot of sense due to the utility. You have a lot of good ideas. On your negatives for EVs, I'd say walking infrastructure can't really occur without living in a dense city. Pipedream otherwise. Acceleration is less of a problem rather than people not paying attention at all, smartphones. As far as the weight, that will go down over time as solid state batteries come around.

I wouldn't trade my motorcycle for an EV motorcycle without significant advances, I also don't see interstate towing being overtaken by EVs anytime soon. You just can't beat a diesel for that whether it be in a pickup, van, or semi, and it will be tough to do so. Yet EVs in general are definitely inevitable as they are already better for countywide travel.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by dixie_land »

sandworm101 wrote: post #105
chrisco255 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

>> Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density That may be the doomsday scenario. Imagine we had a new battery tech today that could cram 1000+miles into a car in say 5 minutes. EV sales would spike. ICEs would disappear. Then everyone would get their new EV home ... and the national electricity grid would collapse.

speaking of doomsday, I can stock up on fuel with reasonable effort (storage tank, fuel stabilizer). But you can't easily build your own battery farm
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