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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by phil21 » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:20 PM UTC

nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

I don't have any of the crashing issues others seem to, but I absolutely agree the Pixel 6 Pro was a large regression - the Pixel 3 Pro was probably the best phone I've owned.

Fingerprint reader is inexcusably bad. I tried to just get used to it, but from a form factor and implementation standpoint it's a huge step back in useability.

Battery life is also pretty bad for the size of battery in the phone. Runs hot doing anything remotely CPU intensive.

I'm hopeful the Pixel 7 fixes most of these regressions. If not, it may be time to look at an iphone after nearly two decades of resistance.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by kitsunesoba » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:21 PM UTC

happyopossum wrote: post #64

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These tons of ad blockers do a very poor job actually blocking ads in Safari, unfortunately. I run AdGuard and any time I’m out of my PiHole’s range it’s all a crapfest of ads.

I use 1blocker and virtually never see an ad..

Similar here. Have 1Blocker, Better, Purify, and the Firefox Focus Safari extension and between those I rarely see ads. Compared to Firefox with uBlock Origin on my Windows machines I’d say the experience is about 98-99% as good.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by dagmx » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #89

dessant wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's important to hold people responsible for negligence that causes harm to others, even in the tech industry.

> It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. Do you want criminal prosecution for actual harm, or for potential harm? America has this habit of reaching for the biggest gun it has to solve problems, or make a statement. It always backfires.

Criminal reports for negligence that can cause death are a thing around the world.

Pray tell, how would it backfire to make sure emergency services are always available ?

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by smoldesu » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

astrange wrote: post #90

smoldesu wrote: post #71

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Nobody is mad about cloud providers scanning for objectionable content. Everyone is mad because Apple is using the hardware you payed for to perform an operation you're paying them to provide. It's like paying for an API that gives you the weather, and all the endpoint returns is a system call for your phone's thermometer. It goes to show that Apple isn't afraid to undermine their own experience to implement adversar…

The guy who had his Google account deleted for sending pictures of his children to his doctor is definitely upset about cloud providers scanning his content!

I'm sure he is, but rules are rules. Google cannot store that content for any purpose whatsoever: there are very specific regulatory standards in place for storing medical data, and Google Drive/iCloud doesn't comply with those standards. They (both!) go as far as to tell you that in the EULA, so the context of the situation doesn't even matter in the first place.

The more bothersome thing (to me) is client-side scanning. Apple is setting a precedent that allows any first-party manufacturer to work against the user's interests as long as there's a large enough common enemy. It should go without saying, but that's a horrible idea!

If Google were doing the same thing on their Pixel phones, I'd be slamming them equally as hard. It's simply depressing to watch a company claim they know best, while proceeding to use your phone to run their regulatory compliance code.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by IntelMiner » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #95

corndoge wrote: post #85

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All phones have these problems. Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

Maybe in the Android world they do (but I kinda doubt it), but certainly not in the Apple ecosystem.

It depends on your definition of problems. For Android users Apple's ...design intentions are unpalatable

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by sieabahlpark » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

BrianOnHN wrote: post #98

libria wrote: post #81

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I don't know the specific law, but FCC does expect a phone to be able to reach 911 (e.g., 911 Act). There must already be a penalizing process or fines in place for manufacturers who fail to meet basic standards. I'm not sure what criminal liability would look like, though. Who do we put in jail? The dev? QA? People who CR'd the bug? The TPM who proposed the feature? The manager who allocated time? The skip who initi…

Why else are Googlers paid so much? (rhetorical) They need to do their damn job. As a pixel 6 owner, I'm disgusted.

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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by vetinari » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #50

vetinari wrote: post #42

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No, he meant Apple's CSAM controversy. Apple wanted to scan files on your device, while Google scans stuff you upload to their cloud.

Not really. It was a controversy created by a poorly written Apple press release that unveiled two distinct features, and subsequently ginned up by an even worse EFF blog post. CSAM scanning was all about iCloud, just like every other vendor, and the benefit was a roadmap to E2E storage. The more confusing thing was the explicit content notifications for parents for their minor children in family plans. So instead, j…

Running this kind of stuff is already leg in the door. Next they can decide to scan your device even, if you don't upload anything anywhere. For your safety, of course, you might be in a possession of an objectionable material, like photos of MAGA hats or other extremist paraphernalia.

So this is a big red line. If you want to upload to iCloud, ok, scanning there is a fair game and you can always not upload to iCloud. But your device should be your device, respecting your privacy.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by charrondev » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #60

happyopossum wrote: post #38

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There are TONS of ad-blockers, and a very sophisticated and comprehensive ad blocking API available on iOS. What’s stopping one single ad blocker from running on it?

These tons of ad blockers do a very poor job actually blocking ads in Safari, unfortunately. I run AdGuard and any time I’m out of my PiHole’s range it’s all a crapfest of ads.

I’ve used 1Blocker without issue for a years. I use uBlock Origin on my desktop, but I can’t say I remember seeing ads on my mobile with 1Blocker.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by agileAlligator » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

corndoge wrote: post #85

ssizn wrote: post #68

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I don’t understand how could you pay such a vast amount of money for a phone that is not even subpar… it is unusable by your own testimony. Not trying to be snarky or anything, but why didn’t you return it?

All phones have these problems. Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

> All phones have these problems. Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

No?

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by chc » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #89

dessant wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's important to hold people responsible for negligence that causes harm to others, even in the tech industry.

> It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. Do you want criminal prosecution for actual harm, or for potential harm? America has this habit of reaching for the biggest gun it has to solve problems, or make a statement. It always backfires.

You're speaking in generalities that can hardly even be mapped to the situation at hand. What, specifically, are you saying is the correct recourse here? What are you saying would go wrong if Google were prosecuted for intentionally shipping a nonfunctional emergency feature?