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Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by aqme28 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #76
btilly wrote: post #37

Time to trot out http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/metcalfe.pdf again. (Yes, I am one of the co-authors.) Multiple lines of evidence point to the basic value of a social network scaling like `O(n log(n))`. So getting your first million users is hard. But after you've got there, you don't have to be that much better than the competition to win. The conclusion is that social networks should be a lot less sticky and d…

Has there been research done on negative value from scaling, the uncool participants effect? Where teenagers/young adults leave (or reduce their activity/start looking for other networks) when mom and grandpa join?

One negative effect of scaling I’ve noticed is that mature social networks (eg Instagram) seem harder to break into. Only established influencer content is surfaced so a new creator has trouble.

TikTok seems much better at promoting newer creators, possibly because it doesn’t have as many large existing creators. This means all the new talent goes there, and then the established talent eventually follows.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

btilly wrote: post #37

Time to trot out http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/metcalfe.pdf again. (Yes, I am one of the co-authors.) Multiple lines of evidence point to the basic value of a social network scaling like `O(n log(n))`. So getting your first million users is hard. But after you've got there, you don't have to be that much better than the competition to win. The conclusion is that social networks should be a lot less sticky and d…

Btw I have wondered for a long time why search on Facebook is such an atrocious mess. But then it struck me: it must be intentional, so you would spend more time scrolling feeds to find that one post you've missed.

For this alone they deserve to be dethroned and forgotten.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by thaumasiotes »

wodenokoto wrote: post #52
btilly wrote: post #37

Time to trot out http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/metcalfe.pdf again. (Yes, I am one of the co-authors.) Multiple lines of evidence point to the basic value of a social network scaling like `O(n log(n))`. So getting your first million users is hard. But after you've got there, you don't have to be that much better than the competition to win. The conclusion is that social networks should be a lot less sticky and d…

> MySpace was overtaken by Friendster Did that ever happen? Was it a US thing? I've heard of Friendster, but I thought it was something that MySpace killed and then MySpace went global and then got overtaken by Facebook.

>> MySpace was overtaken by Friendster

> Did that ever happen?

No, it didn't. Friendster was older than MySpace.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by Gatsky »

Slighlty chilling reading these opinions, like a focus group with Christmas turkeys in November. TikTok and Instagram seem equally devoid of useful content to me, one just has more dancing. YouTube is the exception, partly because they pay creators better. YouTube creators seem to be living lives they actually desire to lead.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by yreg »

Gigachad wrote: post #25
grogenaut wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, DALL-E 2 seems to have real issues with faces, hands (fingers especially), and objects inside other objects (look at the beakers the teddy bears are using) and actual 3d depth awareness of objects. Looking at these it started to get really easy to pick out the AI versus a human of the style, the humans had really good attention to details like fingers, eye placement, and other facial features.

I think its less that DALL-E has an issue with them, and more that humans are just extremely sensitive to details of faces and body parts in general. It's also extremely difficult for a human to draw a hand or face. AI images only seem different in that they draw mistakes in hyper detail so you get something that's the combination of a child's pencil drawing composition and an expert painters style.

It's both, DALL-E specifically is bad at faces (perhaps intentionally?) compared to the other models.

But at the current state of things, the details are usually wrong in every subject, not only people.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by altacc »

bluehorseray wrote: post #85

I think Meta really screwed up by not creating a stand-alone Reels app and instead trying to integrate it with Instagram. As someone who doesn't really like Meta as a company, I would admittedly be interested in trying out a totally new video-centric app released by them. But instead all they did was make instagram a little worse. I mean they already had instagram videos, shoe-horning a fifth tab at the bottom isn't…

I agree. There's something to be said for app/services that decide that medium sized is good enough and they'll stick to doing their one thing well. Flickr springs to mind (although is much past its hey-day). I know people who left facebook for Instagram because of the changes to facebook but the changes just followed them to Instagram.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by Pyrodogg »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #40
pleb_nz wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I don't want shorts on YouTube. I use and like you tube for longer content. If I wanted short content I would create an account with instatok and tikagram or whatever the next thing will be called. Every week or so I have to go through and click not interested on all shorts suggestions. I second they need an option to hide. I've sent feedback to YouTube numerous times and I know others have, but my guess i…

I hate how I can’t scrub through the video on Shorts. Counterintuitively, I feel like my time is being wasted when I’m forced to watch the whole clip, despite it being not that long to begin with.

Not being able to scrub video is an accessibility issue. If you don't catch something on the first watch, it's incredibly frustrating to re-watch the whole thing instead of going back a few seconds. Even if it's 'short' content. Looping the whole clip again isn't useful to someone who just wants to re-listen to one line so that they are sure they understood it correctly. In one case, a small nuisance; very frustrating in the general sense.

In the case of YouTube the extra pain is that I've trained 'double tap' a YT video for scrubbing. But what does that interaction do on a Short, in the YT app?! Like! It likes the video instead of scrubbing. On something that doesn't seem any different from a short normal YouTube video.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by mort96 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #103
wodenokoto wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MySpace was overtaken by Friendster Did that ever happen? Was it a US thing? I've heard of Friendster, but I thought it was something that MySpace killed and then MySpace went global and then got overtaken by Facebook.

>> MySpace was overtaken by Friendster > Did that ever happen? No, it didn't. Friendster was older than MySpace.

Age isn't relevant. Friendster might've come out before MySpace but not become a dominant network until after MySpace had become dominant.

Not saying that's what happened, I've barely heard the name Friendster before.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by zimpenfish »

bluehorseray wrote: post #85

I think Meta really screwed up by not creating a stand-alone Reels app and instead trying to integrate it with Instagram. As someone who doesn't really like Meta as a company, I would admittedly be interested in trying out a totally new video-centric app released by them. But instead all they did was make instagram a little worse. I mean they already had instagram videos, shoe-horning a fifth tab at the bottom isn't…

It's also stopped me uploading video to Instagram because now "your video will be uploaded as a Reel" and controlling the "share to Facebook" permissions for Reels isn't possible via facebook.com, you have to use the iOS app (which I do not have installed.)

Instagram won because it was a low-friction way of sharing images (cf Flickr at the time which was ungodly frictional.) Now it's just friction-a-gogo and if the communities I wanted to connect with existed elsewhere, I'd go elsewhere.

Re: Evaluation of TikTok vs. Instagram Reels

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Post by taneq »

btilly wrote: post #37

Time to trot out http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/metcalfe.pdf again. (Yes, I am one of the co-authors.) Multiple lines of evidence point to the basic value of a social network scaling like `O(n log(n))`. So getting your first million users is hard. But after you've got there, you don't have to be that much better than the competition to win. The conclusion is that social networks should be a lot less sticky and d…

> But after you've got there, you don't have to be that much better than the competition to win.

I don't follow, did you mean it's O(log(n))? Otherwise a social network with 2mil users is still more than twice as good as a social network with 1mil users.

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