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American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

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I hate these awful GMO trees! Why can't we have certified USDA Organic trees anymore!

Assume this is a joke, right? Have to add the ;-) even for nominally bright people.

nah, the whole ";)" "/s" "/j" nonsense can go yeet itself off a cliff. i absolutely hate that stuff.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

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Simple, yet effective. I've heard it said modern fruits are relatively tasteless compared to their older counterparts because they are bred for size and hardiness. I wonder if these can be backcrossed as well to produce more flavorful fruits with similar sizes

Interesting. I love nuts of all types, but not the chestnut. It's really more like a small potato than a nut. I wonder if the old ones tasted better.

just needs a little butter and salt

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

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I used to live in a historic property in rural MI built in the 1800s. There was a huge chestnut tree growing on it that was at least 50ft tall and looked like it could've been as old as the house. I don't live near there anymore but I always wondered if it might have been an American chestnut.

We had one in the town I grew up in... I just checked google maps and sadly it has passed.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

#105
post #48

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Simple, yet effective. I've heard it said modern fruits are relatively tasteless compared to their older counterparts because they are bred for size and hardiness. I wonder if these can be backcrossed as well to produce more flavorful fruits with similar sizes

Interesting. I love nuts of all types, but not the chestnut. It's really more like a small potato than a nut. I wonder if the old ones tasted better.

Dude I have just the recipe for you. Come on down to Chile and ask for puré de castañas. The really oppressed Chilean women make it the best, it's highly unique, I actually thought I could eat a chestnut because I used to eat this dish, kept biting into absolute bitterness. But bitter isn't bad, now that I'm addicted to something bitter (an undisclosed stimulant) I prefer bitterness to sweetness, but not everyone can be an addict, the addiction doesn't always take. Too bitter. Just like the American Chestnut didn't always take. Too bitter.

Love the bitterness. And in the dish there's a trace bitterness natural to the chestnut left in the puré, which involves sweetening chestnuts and also some I think crema Chantillí or leche condensada not sure which.

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Let me add that in my unique Chileanized upbringing, as an American, a Chilean woman, in this unique case not oppressed, explained to me why I couldn't eat a cactus fruit, what's it called, tuna (no relation to fish in absolutely any way). So typically, she explained, gringos bite it wrong. They think you gotta bite it till your jaw closes, your teeth meet up again after that long goodbye when you put the fruit in your mouth. No, you gotta close your teeth less, not chew, no no, and she explained it to me in plain Spanish in a way I, a Chileanized American, a gringo, a gringuito (and in fact there was a movie about a Chileanized American called El Gringuito in the late 90's in Chile, huge hit), how to eat the native fruit. But I was a kid. This partial chewing made it good to eat, I can vouch. They would never tell you to only chew partially of politeness. But I can. I'm passing that on, to eat tuna fruit, work on your bite, don't bite all the way, like almost. Because it has a lot of seeds, very hard seeds, you see, so biting it all the way hurts, so you hate it.

Like bitterness. Great flavor, in fact.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

#106

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Assume this is a joke, right? Have to add the ;-) even for nominally bright people.

nah, the whole ";)" "/s" "/j" nonsense can go yeet itself off a cliff. i absolutely hate that stuff.

Yoink that back.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

#107

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I hate these awful GMO trees! Why can't we have certified USDA Organic trees anymore!

Assume this is a joke, right? Have to add the ;-) even for nominally bright people.

It's a joke, but I do have questions in general about "Certified Non-GMO" versus "Modern day bananas, corn and tomatoes look nothing like they did 400 years ago". There are some types of genetic modifications that are considered "natural" and "OK" and somehow there are others that are "artificial" and "scary", but damned if I know which are which.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

#108

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Assume this is a joke, right? Have to add the ;-) even for nominally bright people.

It's a joke, but I do have questions in general about "Certified Non-GMO" versus "Modern day bananas, corn and tomatoes look nothing like they did 400 years ago". There are some types of genetic modifications that are considered "natural" and "OK" and somehow there are others that are "artificial" and "scary", but damned if I know which are which.

To play devil's advocate to myself and possibly answer my own question: I imagine there are ecological effects of GMO (some of your corn SHOULD get killed by insects). Not to mention the fact that GMO seeds are probably mostly sold by god-awful Monsanto.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

#109

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What authority can enforce approval or disapproval to release something into the wild? Suppose I own land next to a national park. Then can’t I plant whatever I want on that land, trusting that it will spread into the park?

These are not GMO plants—just selectively bred plants. This is similar to almost all domestic animals and most plants.

There are two parallel efforts going on at present for restoring the American chestnut, a backcross effort and a GMO-based approach. This sub-thread is concerned with the GMO strategy.

Re: American chestnut tree in Centreville is the 'holy grail' for conservationists

#110
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Why don't they use agrobacterium transfection, gene guns, or molecular techniques to directly transfer the resistance genes over? Do we not know what the genes themselves are? I'm not criticizing their technique! Nor do I think I know better. This is amazing and valuable work, and I'd love to know more.

They probably have no firm idea about the key genes involved in resistance. There could be half a dozen.

There are methods like GWAS that could help nail that down.
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