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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

How would you (for example) apply for a job without the Internet?

Speak with recruiters.

Most of the jobs I've worked for have come via old school phone calls.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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I keep telling anyone who will listen that they need to move every aspect of their online identity away from the big tech giants, and make sure that each type of service (email, webpage, memory storage, document storage, backups, contacts, etc) is compartmentalized in such a way that if one gets removed then it wont affect the others in any way.

Imagine having all your memories in the form of images and videos taken away because of sloppy review work at a tech company.

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This is fine as long as you don’t plan to travel to China in the future.

Please explain why this is different from traveling to any other country. I haven't been to the US since they made it legal for custom officers to search travelers' personal electronics without a warrant and deny entry if you refuse, because, thanks but no thanks.

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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This story should serve as a warning and a motivation to move away from iCloud, Google Cloud, and alike for video and photo storage. The easiest thing is to just purchase a drive or NAS and store your media on it. If you're a bit tech-savvy, you can run your own NextCloud. I run NextCloud on Hetzner, 1TB storage box + web server for a total of $7 a month. Or you can get Hetzner to run the NextCloud for you for about…

No you see that requires work when most people would rather complain.

It's such a shame because having these services be healthy and popular benefits everyone.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Puritans. We “banned” alcohol for 13 years. America’s greatest battle is with our dark religious past. We claim to be secular but really it’s an aspiration.

As much as the evangelicals of America screw with the rest of the world in their quest for purity, the better answer seems to be: How do you know those nudes are taken consensually? And what's your liability for developing ("reproducing") them?

Why would you assume a crime by default? The presumption of innocence is only a slogan in the US, just like the above mentioned secularity. Look what happened with the guy in this post. You can't even take a photo of your own kid.

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I’ve heard great things about Google Domains but this kind of story is exactly why I probably won’t be using that service. It’s just too risky if you lose everything at once.

Yeah, the way Google likely ties your accounts all together a wrong decision on any Google account even if not the same account for your domains could end up having all your domains stolen by Google.

What I'd like to know if if they actually deactivate multiple linked accounts when any one of them gets flagged. I have three accounts, one more for personal things, one more professional, and a third one with my current country as a location for getting local apps in the Play Store.

Google knows I am the same person, even though they are different accounts, so are the two other accounts safe when one of the three gets flagged?

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> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

What do you think is the ratio of innocent to nefarious pictures of naked children Google encounters in aggregate? This is relevant to how outraged one should be by this story. I think it is probably > 1:100000. As such, probably not much outrage is warranted, although it’s obviously not great for this one guy.

If it wasn't clear, people aren't objecting to the use of automated tools to prevent crime. It's that there is absolutely no avenue of appeal or review against it even if the law enforcement exonerates them and a big news media reports it.

Google has inserted itself into almost all spheres of digital life by hook or crook. It's practically difficult to avoid them in many services - especially email. And now they play judge, jury and executioner. I don't understand any of these are acceptable, much less justifiable. The old argument 'think of the kids' used to justify digital authoritarianism is such a cliché by now.

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post #98

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You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

In some cases Google can only be avoided at a potentially life altering personal cost. Consider how many government services use reCAPTCHA, and what it means to have no access or delayed access to these services.

I don't buy this. This would mean that elderly people are also excluded from these services.

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And you can’t even escape these companies by moving to another country. They have their tendrils everywhere, except in places that consciously prevent them - which is usually done by even worse tyrannies like China/Russia. Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc…

>Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc… Having had the pleasure of sharing the elevator with said individuals in shared office buildings the "common man" part almost made me lose my coffee.

Yeah, it is obvious from all of Googles actions they have lost the script. We are a long way from the don’t be “evil mantra” and “let’s do this for humanity!”

I really wish it wasn’t so, but when your company serves the advertiser you aren’t serving humanity. The balance is off and which each passing year it isn’t getting better.

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Why would you not print naked adults?

One example would be protecting employees from someone just bringing in photos of themselves with the sole intent of exposing themselves to the employee, as they have a captive audience.

This premise was in a Seinfeld episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Package_(Seinfeld)

> Sheila, a clerk at the photo store, flirts with George when he picks up his photos, commenting on a mustard stain that appears in one. He photographs everything, even Jerry taking a screwdriver to his stereo, as an excuse to see her again. A lingerie model's picture is accidentally mixed in with George's photos; he assumes it is a photo of Sheila she inserted as a come-on. Kramer convinces George to return the compliment with seductive pictures of himself.

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