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Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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chownie wrote: post #66
trellad wrote: post #20

Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

Are exercise highs real? Do all people experience them or is it a genetic niche? I've tried a bunch of different exercise methods. Gone running, swimming, weightlifting etc and I've never experienced anything close to a high afterward. I'll be tired, sometimes I'll feel proud of breaking a personal record but there's never any physical positive sensation or euphoria to me that would resemble the "runners high" that p…

I’ve not experienced what I would call a high but after a good workout and feeling the muscle pump as they call it felt awesome. Your muscles bulge so hard it’s just a great feeling. But I never though of it as a high.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by HEI-Points »

twobitshifter wrote: post #58
scld wrote: post #56

Because that line about preferring commercials completely rang false to me, I followed the link....it's from 2010... "You still haven’t accounted for the popularity of, say,The Sopranos and all the subscription-channel programs. Don’t we pay to get those shows without commercials? Contemporary shows like The Sopranos might be interrupting themselves. Remember, it’s not the commercial that increases the enjoyment, it’…

I don’t think I like commercials either, but the enforced pacing of the shows with commercials is something that I miss when I rewatch shows built for commercials on streaming services. You’ll come up against a cliffhanger cut and then a second later it’s resolved because there’s no commercial break.

Why do you miss that? They had to mangle the plot to end on a different cliffhanger every 10 minutes.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by darod »

"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by vorpalhex »

chownie wrote: post #66
trellad wrote: post #20

Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

Are exercise highs real? Do all people experience them or is it a genetic niche? I've tried a bunch of different exercise methods. Gone running, swimming, weightlifting etc and I've never experienced anything close to a high afterward. I'll be tired, sometimes I'll feel proud of breaking a personal record but there's never any physical positive sensation or euphoria to me that would resemble the "runners high" that p…

I did not experience a runners high until I was running 5k+.

I do experience a workout high from lifting pretty regulary, unless it's a low weight week.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by adamsmith143 »

apostate wrote: post #92
adamsmith143 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the appeals to authority, this has to be among the weakest.

I was not highlighting the author's background to appeal to authority. I was pointing out that what OP dismissed as "coder philosophy drivel" (likely from skimming the title and nothing else) was written by someone who has nothing to do with that field. In fact, by doing that, OP made an anti-appeal-to-authority. You seem to be interested in logical fallacies.. could you help me out and tell me if that one has a spec…

So we can replace "coder philosophy drivel" with "psychologist philosophy drivel". Doesn't seem to change much.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by johnchristopher »

darod wrote: post #103

"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

https://hbr.org/2010/10/defend-your-research-commercials-mak...

> The study: Leif Nelson, in collaboration with Tom Meyvis of New York University’s Stern School and Jeff Galak of Carnegie Mellon’s Tepper School, showed subjects three kinds of TV shows: Taxi episodes, nature documentaries, and Bollywood programs. Some watched the shows with commercials, some without. Subjects who watched TV with commercials reported greater enjoyment—and were willing to pay more for DVD collections of shows by the same director—than subjects who watched without interruptions.

Maybe the show is good enough that people want to watch it without interruptions but the show is not good enough that people who have watched it would pay to rewatch ?

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by apostate »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #105
apostate wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was not highlighting the author's background to appeal to authority. I was pointing out that what OP dismissed as "coder philosophy drivel" (likely from skimming the title and nothing else) was written by someone who has nothing to do with that field. In fact, by doing that, OP made an anti-appeal-to-authority. You seem to be interested in logical fallacies.. could you help me out and tell me if that one has a spec…

So we can replace "coder philosophy drivel" with "psychologist philosophy drivel". Doesn't seem to change much.

Sure, you seem intent on making a point that has nothing to do with OP's assertion or my observation, so go for it. (That's a strawman fallacy, right?)

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by fartcannon »

johnchristopher wrote: post #106
darod wrote: post #103

"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

https://hbr.org/2010/10/defend-your-research-commercials-mak... > The study: Leif Nelson, in collaboration with Tom Meyvis of New York University’s Stern School and Jeff Galak of Carnegie Mellon’s Tepper School, showed subjects three kinds of TV shows: Taxi episodes, nature documentaries, and Bollywood programs. Some watched the shows with commercials, some without. Subjects who watched TV with commercials reported g…

This is probably rude, but maybe people who are happy to sit through commercials are more capable of enjoying the extremely middling (I'm being generous here) quality of most TV?

So people who dislike commercials also dislike the kind of shows that are on TV and thus aren't willing to watch more or pay for more.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by Terretta »

johnchristopher wrote: post #106
darod wrote: post #103

"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

https://hbr.org/2010/10/defend-your-research-commercials-mak... > The study: Leif Nelson, in collaboration with Tom Meyvis of New York University’s Stern School and Jeff Galak of Carnegie Mellon’s Tepper School, showed subjects three kinds of TV shows: Taxi episodes, nature documentaries, and Bollywood programs. Some watched the shows with commercials, some without. Subjects who watched TV with commercials reported g…

Plausible explanations include (a) the study is flawed, (b) some TV is so bad the commercials are a relief, or (c) the cohort that enjoys TV with ads more are the nascent idiocracy.

Did those willing to pay more for the DVDs want the ads on the DVD? Or pay more to get without ads?

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Post by mantas »

chownie wrote: post #66
trellad wrote: post #20

Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

Are exercise highs real? Do all people experience them or is it a genetic niche? I've tried a bunch of different exercise methods. Gone running, swimming, weightlifting etc and I've never experienced anything close to a high afterward. I'll be tired, sometimes I'll feel proud of breaking a personal record but there's never any physical positive sensation or euphoria to me that would resemble the "runners high" that p…

Runners high is definitely real. But it takes prolonged effort. For me, 1h of steady non-stop running or 3h of no-rests cycling is bare minimum. 2x that for the true high
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