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Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

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Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#101
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I feel like I wouldn't use this based on the name alone. How do I say it? forward slash ee forward slash? I don't understand why anyone would think it was a good idea to name it this!

My internal monologue pronounces it as "ecchi".

Nno, what are you doing step-phone!?

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#102
post #85

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It's like if your buddy created an awesome website that provided a great free service and then called it jflasdjfjasdfjkereifsd.yzy You'd wonder they shot themselves in the foot like that. It would've been easy to give it a good name but instead they severely limited the potential of their hard work for seemingly no reason. It's not entitlement, it is confusion. Also why are you so confrontational?

I don't need to type the address to use it. If the site is "awesome", I will use it regardless of the name. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE NAME , I care about what it does and what are the guiding principles. I am confrontational because your "confusion" is just stupid concern trolling. Do you think that it is important to get more people to be less dependent on Big Tech? Then here is an operating system that works pretty w…

> I will use it regardless of the name.I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE NAME

Your preferences are not consequential. We are concerned with how the public behaves. And names matter a lot for discoverability.

If you really cared about more people using /e/, you should be concerned that the name is needlessly reducing its reach. I plan on trying /e/, but you are not doing the project any favors with your attitude.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#103

I feel like I wouldn't use this based on the name alone. How do I say it? forward slash ee forward slash? I don't understand why anyone would think it was a good idea to name it this!

Did no-one else immediately think of (or relate it to) Enlightenment?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(software)

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#104
post #77

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Do you need good marketing to guide your decisions? Do you need someone else validating your choices? Why do you care about "good marketing"? > How do I tell people about it? "hey, the website is https://e.foundation , here is the link" That was not so hard, was it?

Why would you put work into something meant for others to use, and then make it hard for people to find it?

I think it’s pretty clear now. The answer is that some people like the person you replied to think it doesn’t matter. The truth is it actually matters a lot.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#105
I think that they should reduce as much as possible, the background services, telemetry, animations, etc to try to allow battery power to last longer, reduce service fees for internet, etc. Privacy is one issue but it is not the only one. (Furthermore, some manufacturers will include hardware kill switches, which might be able to further reduce power requirements and improve privacy and security.) Functions can still be working if the user specifically activates and controls them, though. App permissions could be done by a proxy implementation; this allows better user controls, for example you can create two separate files with the same app and the files don't know each other (and later move them using file manager if wanted), or to make it access a empty contacts list or one filled in with random data instead of the actual data.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#106
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need to type the address to use it. If the site is "awesome", I will use it regardless of the name. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE NAME , I care about what it does and what are the guiding principles. I am confrontational because your "confusion" is just stupid concern trolling. Do you think that it is important to get more people to be less dependent on Big Tech? Then here is an operating system that works pretty w…

> I will use it regardless of the name.I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE NAME Your preferences are not consequential. We are concerned with how the public behaves. And names matter a lot for discoverability. If you really cared about more people using /e/, you should be concerned that the name is needlessly reducing its reach. I plan on trying /e/, but you are not doing the project any favors with your attitude.

> We are concerned with how the public behaves.

Speak for yourself. I am not "concerned" about anything so abstract as "public behavior". All I am "concerned" about is my personal ability to keep my freedom and my choices, and by extension I am concerned about others having the same freedoms. Being concerned about "behavior" is the last of my worries.

> And names matter a lot for discoverability.

It didn't stop you from finding out about it, did it?

> you are not doing the project any favors with your attitude.

Why? Are you worried that if people see you using a phone with /e/OS you will be associated with grumpy rude graybeards?

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#107
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you put work into something meant for others to use, and then make it hard for people to find it?

I think it’s pretty clear now. The answer is that some people like the person you replied to think it doesn’t matter. The truth is it actually matters a lot.

They appear to enjoy being angry.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#108
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you put work into something meant for others to use, and then make it hard for people to find it?

I think it’s pretty clear now. The answer is that some people like the person you replied to think it doesn’t matter. The truth is it actually matters a lot.

What does it matter for, exactly?

It matters if you equate success with total domination, or think that something is only worth doing if it can create a huge gathering of people blindly supporting it.

What if we simply don't care about that? Here we have a system that works well, that can do all the things that I need and that respects my freedoms. I've mentioned it to other people already, all of them simply said "ok, cool" and went on with their lives.

Do you think that the name was the reason that it stopped them from changing it, or do you think that the main thing was "wait, but I want to continue using Google/Apple"? Do you think that their indifference made the product any less useful to me and the other thousands of people who use it? Do you think that my identity is tied to the OS of my phone?

Honestly, can you make a solid effort of explaining what matters so much about marketing, and why?

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#109
I have been using for years. It is quite usable, improves every day and even replaces things like Google of Office365 clouds (in a self-hostable way). I recently installed on a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite (first version) and I now use it as a laptop whenever I need a very long battery life or something smaller than my full sized Linux laptop. And, it is a real product, one that is thought to be used.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#110
post #87

I feel like I wouldn't use this based on the name alone. How do I say it? forward slash ee forward slash? I don't understand why anyone would think it was a good idea to name it this!

the original name was eelo. then they discovered that eelo was a trademark owned by someone else. /e/ was a stopgap measure, while they were looking for a new name. already some years ago they said they had a new name, but they were working to make sure the name was rock solid (trademarking it in several jurisdictions i guess). i think murena is that new name. i don't know why they don't use that for the OS. but i gu…

Murena sounds like an IUD.
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