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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by hunterb123 »

bfung wrote: post #64
anovikov wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the problem? Taiwan is the Republic of China.

The official name of China is “People’s Republic of China”, PRC. Taiwan differentiates by using “Republic of China”, RoC. Still confusing, but technically different, purposely so.

Taiwan doesn't differentiate from PRC, they were the ROC first. The PRC named themselves after the ROC.

PRC came after when the ROC lost control of mainland China in 1949 to the communists and escaped to Taiwan.

But yes communistic names are confusing because they try to hijack existing terms and create misnomers like it's for the people.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by MichaelBurge »

INTPenis wrote: post #86
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

Apple's market cap is $2.7 trillion. How hard could it be for them to get a few nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and tell China, "We refuse to comply with your labeling requirements. Just try to stop us"?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by publicola1990 »

bodski wrote: post #81
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

> But instead the CCP rejected that and undermined global good will Can you elaborate on this? This feels a very US centric view. The US itself has repeatedly failed to comply with its own 'rules-based order', whilst expecting other powers to comply.

Yes. US routinely target and kill people inside other sovereign nations borders during peacetime, with scant regards for any "rules-based-order".

Not to mention not being a signatory to major treaties and conventions that are are part of that "rules based order", like UNCLoS, ICJ and ICC.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

rr888 wrote: post #90
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old anecdote, and I'm French, so I'm probably using the incorrect tense to tell the story.

Yeah makes sense. I love the politics like this where everyone is firmly in solidarity but everyone is making deals out the back door. Like Europeans at war with Russia but buying gas, Americans hating China but spending all their money on stuff made there, Communist leaders hating America but sending their kids to school there.

Cuba getting stuff from America, pro-life manifestants getting abortions, USSR smuggling US computers, KKK members surfing Ebony adult sites.

That's just humanity at this point.

We are full of contradictions.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

bell-cot wrote: post #70
Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

This is ridiculous. Taiwan is a free and independent country. Shame on Apple.

Perhaps. OTOH, my experience (modest n) is that a fairly large percentage of people are happy to say "Shame on Apple" for such things. Vs. a near-zero percentage are actually willing to avoid buying products made in (mainland) China, or with major components made there. Talk was cheap long before "Performative Activism" had its own Wikipedia page.

But how can I live without their 1% better touch pad and build quality?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by josephcsible »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #99
josephcsible wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that the UAE is a sovereign country. The only law that prevented trade with Israel was the one they made themselves. There wasn't any legal price for repealing it.

Indeed, and again, I'm expecting you to understand that they are making this choice because they don't want to pay the consequences of it. And that "cannot" is a short way to state that. Now, from reading your comments, I'm going to assume you are in good faith, and you simply can't see what consequences they can face. Although we can't know for sure such things without being an expert in middle-east politics, one ca…

> they are making this choice because they don't way to pay the consequences of it. And that "cannot" is a short way to state that.

I don't think that's a short way of saying the same thing though, for the kind of consequences you mean at least. Imagine if I were a vegan for ethical reasons. It'd be fine for me to say "I don't eat meat", but a lie to say "I can't eat meat", since I'd be perfectly capable of doing so, and be fine if I did, and just not want to anyway. Contrast this with if I had alpha-gal syndrome and someone me offered me a steak. In that case, I could truthfully say "I can't eat that".

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by ericmay »

bodski wrote: post #81
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

> But instead the CCP rejected that and undermined global good will Can you elaborate on this? This feels a very US centric view. The US itself has repeatedly failed to comply with its own 'rules-based order', whilst expecting other powers to comply.

The mistake that you're making is suggesting that this rules based order must mean that all countries adhere to it 100% of the time. But there are gray areas, mistakes, things that are subject to interpretation, and frankly there are areas where countries disagree. The point is that it's mostly adhered to.

If you are looking for specific examples and further elaboration, frankly I can't provide that for you and you'll have to look at global events and decide for yourself.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by spookthesunset »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #85
spookthesunset wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But as a tech company it is much better they fight tech battles like privacy policy, acceptable law enforcement behavior, acceptable tracker use, etc. Let some other company fight the battle over what to put on the label.

They aren't just a tech company though are they? They are one of the largest companies in the world with an annual turnover comparable with small countries like Denmark or Norway.

That is true but they aren’t a country. They don’t set international policy. They have little to gain and a lot to lose picking this battle.

For one thing they have close business relationships with people in both china and Taiwan. They have employees in both countries. Vendors. Human relationships. Those might get kinda awkward if they picked this battle.

And what do they gain picking this battle? A few internet points?

It’s just not worth it.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by throwaway_4ever »

josephcsible wrote: post #69
jrochkind1 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reads to me like Apple is warning suppliers that it's parts may not get to factories in China if it does not comply with Chinese law. You would like Apple to... stop importing parts from Taiwan to China? That doesn't seem right, it would hurt Taiwan. Stop manufacturing in China? That's... ambitious. Ignore the situation and just accept assembly lines being halted because of lack of parts stopped at border? Other?…

> Stop manufacturing in China? That's... ambitious. Apple's profit margins are so high that they'd probably still be positive even if they did this without raising prices at all. (Remember nobody's saying they should have to move manufacturing to the US. There are plenty of countries with low labor costs that are less evil than China.)

Apple has repeatedly said that it’s not China’s cheaper labor. They don’t have as cheap labor anymore, especially compared to India, Vietnam, Philippines, etc. they say it’s because of the complex specialized knowledge of suppliers around Shenzhen and I’m inclined to believe them. You can choose to not trust them.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by [deleted] »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

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