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Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by boomboomsubban »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #92
boomboomsubban wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years. To be fair, that statement has always been "if Iran seriously tried to build a nuclear bomb, it'd take them roughly six months to do so." That is probably fairly true, but they've constantly lied about how serious Iran has ever been about building a nuke while using the statement stoke fears.

Why do you think Iran is just toying with the idea of building a nuke? Doesnt it make sense that if they had the capacity, or if they had the capacity to make one in 6 months, that they would? For 50 years Iran rules have been on the fence?

Most of the things necessary to build a nuclear bomb are also used for nuclear energy and research. The estimates are that Iran could alter their completely legal nuclear program into one to develop a bomb in six months.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by jefftk »

clankyclanker wrote: post #98
jefftk wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case it's too soon to tell what's going to happen; he could still have additional consequences for the perjury. Link to one of these past perjury situations where there were no repercussions?

It does happen sometimes. My personal favorite example is this guy. I recommend search terms like "james clapper perjury congress". If this fish never got fried in the biggest pan of all, what chance do these little chefs have? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper See: https://jonathanturley.org/2013/07/03/perjury-by-permission-... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/19/james-clap... https://apnews.…

Jones' perjury was way clearer than Clapper's.

Additionally, Clapper was part of the government, testifying on something the government wanted kept quiet.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by akudha »

tmn wrote: post #25
akudha wrote: post #5

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Jeez! 800k per day. That is obscene, for a charlatan. How much of this is profit I wonder. 4M is chump change for someone making THAT much money. Plus, who knows how much money his nut job supporters are donating to him.

OP said 800,00 so I'm not sure if that was intended to be 800,000. But that obviously doesn't pass the BS test. Alex jones is not pulling in over 100m a year or anywhere close to that.

I have seen the 800k figure quoted elsewhere too. But even 80k per DAY is insane amount of money. Let’s say half of it is profit. 4M/40k = 100 days.

For the amount of damage he has caused, for the amount of pain he has inflicted - 100 days of profit as punishment is nothing.

My hope is that they clean him out of every dollar he has got. But, my guess is he’ll come out of it relatively unscathed. Even a 20M settlement might not be much to him.

There are much bigger problems though - how is he able to get such a large audience? Shouldn’t these social media companies have some responsibility? Why has it taken so long for this case (years and years) to reach the verdict stage? How is he lying freely in court, to the judge, on camera, and not facing any consequences? And so on…

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by skoskie »

Loughla wrote: post #4

So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

Poorly? He made $165M spewing lies, and got fined $4M. He has $161M of incentive to keep doing what he does.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

dalbasal wrote: post #58
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #3

I hope they throw the book at him for punitive damages as well. Maybe then people will learn you don't get to sit there spouting blatant lies without consequence. I thought forwarding his messages to the jan6 committee was just a stunt but apparently there's some juicy stuff in there. Will be interesting to see what comes out of it.

I think spouting blatant lies is and should be something you can "get away with," at least legally. Jones was (IMO) actually attacking these people. He continuously unleashing a mob of shitposting arseholes and actual lunatics on them.

>I think spouting blatant lies is and should be something you can "get away with," at least legally.

I think anyone with a 'megaphone' has a responsibility to speak the truth. Frankly, as soon as you start soliciting money for your opinions, I think you should be held to a higher standard. Journalists, politicians, talk show hosts, whatever. I'm sick of living in a post truth world.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by snoopy_telex »

superb-owl wrote: post #12
drexlspivey wrote: post #10

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I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

I mean...$4M is definitely a repercussion. But yeah, TBH he should probably spend time in jail.

It’s only 5 days worth of his shows profits. And he received Ed a 7 million bitcoin donation a few days earlier, so there’s zero harm to him.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by dominotw »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #55
dominotw wrote: post #31

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> He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut. I know a bunch of these, including some in my family. None of them are capable of amassing even the fraction of following of the nut in question. I am not in agreement with 'just' in that sentence.

The fact that there are a ton implies that at some point one of them will luck their way into success.

does 'alcohol-fueling' increase one's chances though.

otherwise it would be like saying ' he is not a genius, he is just fat' , which doesn't really make sense.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by dragonwriter »

nrmitchi wrote: post #32
superb-owl wrote: post #12

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I mean...$4M is definitely a repercussion. But yeah, TBH he should probably spend time in jail.

$4M is a repercussion for spending years making up conspiracy theories and targetting the families of dead children. Also note that this is compensitory damages only, and hasn't even touch on punitive damagers yet. It has nothing to do with his perjury.

Also, this isn't a suit covering all the Sandy Hook families; I think to covers two. There are at least two other suits already in progress from other families on similar grounds

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by dragonwriter »

khuey wrote: post #44
nrmitchi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$4M is a repercussion for spending years making up conspiracy theories and targetting the families of dead children. Also note that this is compensitory damages only, and hasn't even touch on punitive damagers yet. It has nothing to do with his perjury.

Punitive damages are capped at low amounts in Texas and may not happen at all since they require unanimity (which the jury did not have on the compensatory verdict).

> Punitive damages are capped at low amounts in Texas

Low multiples of compensatory damages would be more accurate.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by bryanlarsen »

superb-owl wrote: post #12
drexlspivey wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

I mean...$4M is definitely a repercussion. But yeah, TBH he should probably spend time in jail.

This is only compensatory damages. Punitive damages are still being considered, and are often a couple of orders of magnitude larger.
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