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The PHEV in Ireland was €52k when it released in Jan 2022, I ordered it 5 months in advance seems like this model was way cheaper in US and now reaches same price as in Europe?
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Better that excess demand is captured by the manufacturer, which can be reinvested into manufacturing, than the dealer. I far prefer the transparent pricing of Tesla, and its now the only manufacturer I'd consider buying from in the USA.
>I far prefer the transparent pricing of Tesla An interesting comment considering this is above a story of Tesla cutting functionality via a software update for a customer years after purchase and demanding thousands to undo it. That sort of stuff, their lackluster QC and the erratic behavior of the CEO has me pretty skeptical of them as a company.
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If you want a Model Y immediately you will have to pay a lot more than a $15k premium. The earliest official delivery date for one is April 2023, and that's just for the premium models.
Model Y performance is Aug-Oct delivery.
I bought my (used) Toyota Corolla in early 2021...fortunately right before the used car prices hit an upwards inflection[0]. Every time I've checked the KBB value, it has increased. One year ago today, it the trade in value is 12% more than I purchased it. Today, it is 36% more. This is wild. 0. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/
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I found one last year. It was 7k dealer markup, plus another 3k for various accessories, plus another 2k for an A/C super coolant. They also came in extremely low on a trade-in. I ended up walking and ordering a Model Y. It felt slimy to pay over MSRP. Similar experiences at several ford dealers over mach-e prices.
At Toyota dealers you pay over MSRP, at Tesla they just repeatedly raise the MSRP...
Yup, I went to buy one last year, I think the advertised price was $40k, but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" for the pleasure of doing business with them. I went for a Tesla Model Y instead, and I'm very happy with it.
> but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" Do your scare quotes mean you think it's unreasonable? It's supply and demand, isn't it?
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I found one last year. It was 7k dealer markup, plus another 3k for various accessories, plus another 2k for an A/C super coolant. They also came in extremely low on a trade-in. I ended up walking and ordering a Model Y. It felt slimy to pay over MSRP. Similar experiences at several ford dealers over mach-e prices.
At Toyota dealers you pay over MSRP, at Tesla they just repeatedly raise the MSRP...
Fun surprise ordering a Mach-E/F-150 Lightning and the dealer charges the market adjustment on your custom ordered car. No where is that fee disclosed until you go down to the dealership to pick it up.
Funny, when I tried out the range of hybrid Crossover SUVs (like the RAV4) in late 2020, I found the RAV4 Prime felt like driving a boat. It had a kind of inertia I didn't feel in other cars. I ended up getting a Ford Escape Hybrid (not plug-in) instead, which I really like (then again, I guess it's a different kind of product, not being a plug-in hybrid)
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Model Y performance is Aug-Oct delivery.
It is also $70K. Not exactly a reasonable comparison to a Toyota RAV4.
Edit: Those numbers were numbers I experienced buying a year ago. Article numbers put some Rav4's more than current Model Y performance price.
As a side note, from a European perspective, Japanese cars seem to be so far behind in terms of technology that the only reason to even consider them is their reliability. For the price of Toyota RAV4 one could get either a 7-seater Škoda Kodiaq[1], or a fully electric Škoda Enyaq[2], both of which are more practical and more premium inside. [1] https://www.carwow.co.uk/skoda/kodiaq [2] https://www.carwow.co.uk/skoda…
Toyota have been strange holdouts against electric cars for some reason; they've previously backed hydrogen which is far less practical now.