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The Global Cost of Corrosion

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Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porsche started galvanizing their bodies in the 1970s, VW started in the 1980s, Japan only started galvanizing their bodies in export markets, in response to the germans, and only recently (last 15 years) have been galvanizing all their bodies domestic and import.

Toyotas cost nothing compared to Porches, so 1-0 Japan vs rest of the world.

Unless you happen to think that reduced car ownership is good for the world!

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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>This is an important issue. People keep talking about recycling, but much more important than recycling is just being able to use a thing for longer before you are even thinking about recycling it. Reduce, reuse, recycle. In that order

Well perhaps "retain" should be added. Making something last longer isn't quite "reduce" or "reuse".

I think the idea is reducing consumption and it falls under that.

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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Isn't this like corrosion engineers validating their own industry? I mean it's a fair talking point but also like asking VCs how good their returns are?

Reminds me of the perennial reports from the American Society of Civil Engineers talking about how the US's infrastructure is degraded and everyone had better hire a lot of civil engineers to fix it.

Exactly - right?

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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I’ve spent years working on a VW bus restoration, and this is something I’ve thought about so much. Once you’ve had to clean up rust you begin to see it everywhere. It’s like having a disease. Anyways, yeah it would be fantastic if metal just didn’t corrode. That would be one of the greatest gifts to the world.

There are these world-changing inventions we look back on and marvel at. The Haber–Bosch process, the Bessemer process, rubber vulcanization, etc.

My dream is one for stainless steel. Come up with either a different alloy or an improved process to make corrosion-proof metal from abundant iron. I can't imagine the leap forward if a chunk of stainless cost nearly the same as mild steel. (And didn't have weird failure modes, etc.)

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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This is an important issue. People keep talking about recycling, but much more important than recycling is just being able to use a thing for longer before you are even thinking about recycling it. Japanese automakers did the world a great favor when in the 80s and 90s they made much longer lasting cars and made longevity and resale value an important consideration in the purchasing decision. They did this mostly by…

>This is an important issue. People keep talking about recycling, but much more important than recycling is just being able to use a thing for longer before you are even thinking about recycling it. Reduce, reuse, recycle. In that order

There is also a 0th R-word in that truism, which is "Refuse".

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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I imagine a substantial part of this is the rusting of rebar in concrete structures. The problem of rebar has fascinated me, and one German company has begin making carbon fiber reinforced concrete instead of steel, with amazing results. You can reduce environmental waste by having structures last longer and you use less concrete. I'm looking forward to this becoming more ubiquitous. https://www.aboutcivil.org/carbon…

AFAIU GRP rebar has become somewhat common lately, though this carbon fiber rebar seems to be a higher end step. Interesting to see how it'll develop.

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porsche started galvanizing their bodies in the 1970s, VW started in the 1980s, Japan only started galvanizing their bodies in export markets, in response to the germans, and only recently (last 15 years) have been galvanizing all their bodies domestic and import.

Famously, 1990's Mitsubishi and Subaru vehicles can basically rust down to the frame before the drivetrain stops functioning. And they don't wait long to start on the former.

Interesting. Mine is a 2004 wrx and getting full of holes, but mechanic keeps assuring me drive train is solid and perfectly safe to drive.

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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This is an important issue. People keep talking about recycling, but much more important than recycling is just being able to use a thing for longer before you are even thinking about recycling it. Japanese automakers did the world a great favor when in the 80s and 90s they made much longer lasting cars and made longevity and resale value an important consideration in the purchasing decision. They did this mostly by…

Many manufacturers are also plastic sheilding their cars from down under. Improves wind flow, noise isolation and prevents rust.

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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Why aren't bridges and ships made out of stainless steel? Is it too expensive, or not as strong as regular steel?

In addition to other comments, it's also difficult to weld. Stainless steel retains heat, so prolong welding can warp it. Also unless careful, welding can destroy the Chromium coating, so the area are the weld will rust quicker than the bulk material.

When choosing a metal material, it's important to consider not just its innate properties, but it properties during join. Welding can melt the metal surrounding the weld, which can undo many heat treatment or mechanical processes previously used to get the material to the desired specs.

Re: The Global Cost of Corrosion

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This is why I get scared when I see articles about people developing plastic eating bacteria. Sure it is great for reducing waste but it’s a dangerous game to be playing for sure.

No, plastic was the mistake. That was the dangerous game, those plastic eating bacteria are one way to restore some of the natural order and hopefully at some point they'd run out of food.

How is “plastic was the mistake” any more reasonable than “electricity was the mistake”

Plastic is indispensable just like electricity.

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