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Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by Selvik »

Volpe wrote: post #81
tomkarlo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the order of a lifetime (50-60 years)? No. Especially given that you have an incumbent political party that is (at least in name), still Communist and committed to the equitable distribution of wealth across the population. China has a lot of internal tensions, not the least of which is that as people become more affluent, they start to want greater transparency from the government, greater fairness, and more inde…

I'm not convinced it is "grappling to maintain order". It really doesn't operate that different from the U.S: - censorship (like wikileaks) - Suppression of dissent (like the 'Occupy movement' is being suppressed). Governments (regardless of ideology) try to avoid dissent, as it's damaging to those in power...

You seem completely clueless. Chinese dissidents are "disappeared" for far less than what Assange has done. Tianmen protesters where slaughtered.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by donaq »

SearchDream wrote: post #80
angkec wrote: post #66

This may add more insight: I'm Chinese (mainlander) myself and I'm not rich (student). All my friends are not rich either. Yet almost everyone wants to leave the country. This is probably due to high real estate prices (around 1M RMB in large cities like Beijing and Shanghai for a decent apartment that can get you a girl to marry you, yet you don't really "own" the property even if you buy it. Technically the state s…

Agree on almost everyone want to leave, I have about 10+ friends and colleague come to work in Singapore like me.

Ironically, a significant group of Singaporeans want to leave because costs of living here are super high.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by vorg »

angkec wrote: post #66

This may add more insight: I'm Chinese (mainlander) myself and I'm not rich (student). All my friends are not rich either. Yet almost everyone wants to leave the country. This is probably due to high real estate prices (around 1M RMB in large cities like Beijing and Shanghai for a decent apartment that can get you a girl to marry you, yet you don't really "own" the property even if you buy it. Technically the state s…

As long as the US is somewhere a lot of people from ethnic-based nations want to immigrate to, the US can have many more financial crises and not be severely impacted.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by hachiya »

tobtoh wrote: post #94
hachiya wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one child policy of China is pure evil. It's a wonder the forced abortions and these effects don't feature more prominently in this discussion.

And what do you propose is the alternative? Very easy to take a moral high ground when you don't have to worry about the repercussions of over population and strained resources. As the poster said themselves - too many people in China.

I don't need to propose an alternative in order to state that the imposed one child policy is evil, along with its forced abortions and forced sterilizations.

Second, you can't prove overpopulation is as serious as the government claims, nor can you prove their "solution" fixes it.

Third, if it is as serious as is claimed, it will affect the world (anthropogenic environmental impact, immigration, etc...), so it's everyone's worry.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by PakG1 »

angkec wrote: post #66

This may add more insight: I'm Chinese (mainlander) myself and I'm not rich (student). All my friends are not rich either. Yet almost everyone wants to leave the country. This is probably due to high real estate prices (around 1M RMB in large cities like Beijing and Shanghai for a decent apartment that can get you a girl to marry you, yet you don't really "own" the property even if you buy it. Technically the state s…

One of my co-workers here in SZ has a foreign boyfriend, but she doesn't want others to know about it. I asked her why she wanted a foreign boyfriend. She said it was because she didn't believe in the future of this country. This is her way out.

My other co-worker hates it that Chinese girls seem to prefer foreign boyfriends (albeit a stereotype, but who knows how reflective it is of reality?). He deems it particularly difficult because there are so many more men then women in China already.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by chrischen »

Volpe wrote: post #81
tomkarlo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the order of a lifetime (50-60 years)? No. Especially given that you have an incumbent political party that is (at least in name), still Communist and committed to the equitable distribution of wealth across the population. China has a lot of internal tensions, not the least of which is that as people become more affluent, they start to want greater transparency from the government, greater fairness, and more inde…

I'm not convinced it is "grappling to maintain order". It really doesn't operate that different from the U.S: - censorship (like wikileaks) - Suppression of dissent (like the 'Occupy movement' is being suppressed). Governments (regardless of ideology) try to avoid dissent, as it's damaging to those in power...

Sure you can say that, but you can't say that all governments suppress dissent equally.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by tomkarlo »

Volpe wrote: post #88
tomkarlo wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was the last time you worried about going to prison before you posted a tweet?

I'm pretty sure Julian Assange is facing this exact problem. When you challenge authority... the results are predictable (regardless of the ideology behind the authority). Also note: Most chinese (i'd say) don't worry about this. So the point is a little over dramatic.

From two weeks ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/world/asia/china-imposes-n...

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by tomkarlo »

Selvik wrote: post #91
tomkarlo wrote: post #57

Once you're rich enough, you become concerned with protecting that wealth and your own well-being. You want transparency from your government, rule of law (in a transparent, predictable manner) and political stability. Those are not strong points in China these days.

I think this is true. Additionally, as other commenters have mentioned, daily life in china is a bit of a health risk due to the crazy traffic, air pollution, poor food safety etc.

I forgot this - I have two friends who lived in Beijing for years but moved to LA when they had kids, in large part because the air pollution was so bad they said they could feel it in their throats when they woke up each morning if it was going to be a bad day. Nobody likes to feel like their they breathe is killing them each day.

There was a comment (I think on Top Gear, so take it with a grain) that if you drive a new Porsche through Beijing, the air coming out the tailpipe is cleaner then the air going in the front.

Re: Half of China's millionaires want to leave country

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Post by gaza3g »

donaq wrote: post #102
SearchDream wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on almost everyone want to leave, I have about 10+ friends and colleague come to work in Singapore like me.

Ironically, a significant group of Singaporeans want to leave because costs of living here are super high.

As a Singaporean, I feel the same way too. High costs of living, overcrowded public transit and mandatory conscription for all citizens.
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