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RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by mike-cardwell »

powersnail wrote: post #26

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it. The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy,…

I added rss filter/grep support to my homebrew rss->email script. So for example, I follow https://news.ycombinator.com/rss but only for articles with titles matching certain patterns:

    mike@klaus:~$ rss --list|grep ycomb
    155. https://news.ycombinator.com/rss
    mike@klaus:~$ rss --list-grep 155
    74. title = (?i)\b((e-?|web)?mail|hardenize|irc|internet relay chat|grpc|hashicorp|rust|debian|c\+\+|perl|(bit|name)coin|tor|pgp|gpg|gnupg|openpgp|digitalocean|ovh|linode|grepular|email\s*privacy\s*tester|parsemail|ssl|https|backdoor|apache|exim|distribut|peer (to|2) peer|vpn|secur|anonym|webrtc|torrent|webtorrent|nextcloud|owncloud|graphql)(ity|ous|e?s|ing?|ed?)?\b
I also randomly hit the front page of course, otherwise I wouldn't have seen this. Maybe I should add "rss" to my regex

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by zaik »

hosh wrote: post #18

I know XMPP is not as popular these days, but there is an XMPP extension for pushing Atom stanzas as a sort of the push complement to RSS. … and using Slack to consolidate RSS turns RSS from pull to push. (Slack probably has caching mechanisms across all workspaces to reduce pull bandwith).

For those who want to try it, movim.eu is a federated social network build on this XMPP extension.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by lunaticman »

baskethead wrote: post #10

I've been using Blogtrottr to email me my RSS feeds for whatever I'm following. It's run without any hiccups in I think over 10 years. I have tons of feeds just emailing me every day and I skim through them and read whatever I find interesting. It's really awesome, much better for me than anything else.

I haven't heard about blogtrottr before, but landed on a similar idea and built RSS-to-email service for myself and opened it for others (https://briefcake.com). Mainly, I did it to battle my pointless social network and doom scrolling addictions -- and it worked amazingly. I spend less of my time on internet, more of my time with kid.

I'm slowly extending support for other social networks, to my surprise, they are not that "social" and it's quite a pain to scrape anything from them.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by seltzered_ »

pentagrama wrote: post #49
seltzered_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

Google Podcasts give you the RSS link of every podcast https://imgur.com/a/bmgzCFb

Thanks. Wow, did not notice that you have to click not the globe button or share button, but the three dot 'hamburger' button at the top right in order to see this.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by anotherevan »

mbesto wrote: post #38

Is there any way outside of just polling every 1~5 minutes to get realtime updates to RSS? Curious what is standard here? If you do do polling, what interval?

WebSub (née PubSubHubbub) can work well if the RSS feed supports it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSub

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by cxr »

ronsor wrote: post #97
cxr wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Us technical types have been complicit in it by allowing the word "podcast" to mean [...] Those types have done a lot of the same damage to the word "wiki". It blows my mind that Sourcehut of all places is a willing participant in debasing the term.

What exactly is Sourcehut doing?

The same thing GitHub is doing: throwing a bunch of source files into a repo—i.e. the sort of thing that came before wikis (and the reason why wikis were invented in the first place—to displace those kinds of systems)—but then calling that a wiki. It qualifies certainly as what GNU calls a "Massive Multiauthor Collaboration Site". But to call it a "wiki" is wildly inappropriate—like saying "integral" when you're talking about derivatives:[1]

> Imagine you're a mathematician, and fellow mathematicians start calling derivatives integrals instead; that's basically how badly the term[] is being misused: it's being used to describe systems that are almost the _exact opposite_ of the concept.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23672561

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by seltzered_ »

AlexandrB wrote: post #28
seltzered_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

My policy is to just ignore these. There's so much content out there it's not hard to find other (proper) podcasts to listen to.

Disagree on 'blaming the creator' argument. Not everyone is aware of these technical philosophies and are focused on getting a good story out there. Feel the same way about social media.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by hosh »

zaik wrote: post #102
hosh wrote: post #18

I know XMPP is not as popular these days, but there is an XMPP extension for pushing Atom stanzas as a sort of the push complement to RSS. … and using Slack to consolidate RSS turns RSS from pull to push. (Slack probably has caching mechanisms across all workspaces to reduce pull bandwith).

For those who want to try it, movim.eu is a federated social network build on this XMPP extension.

Do you know if there is a name for that XMPP/Atom pubsub service, and if web publishers can put up some kind of icon so people know they can subscribe to that kind of a feed?

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by RL_Quine »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #35
RL_Quine wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use RSS for twitter via Nitter, it works perfectly for me.

> instead I have to dig around and either use some tool someone built for the purpose - a tool at the mercy of the walled garden whose wall they're peeking over

I know, it sucks, but I'm saying what solution is solid and works.
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