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Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by corrral » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

Nasrudith wrote: post #74

corrral wrote: post #21

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People are upset about Spotify trying to own the podcast market. Meanwhile Web video is already in the position everyone dreads podcasts reaching, and has been for its entire existence . Assuming folks aren't wrong about RSS-based host-anywhere podcasts being better than having the entire market controlled by one provider, seems obvious video'd be better with the same model.

The why is obvious - the bandwidth involved isn't quite so hospitible to small scales as podcasting. Either we need to revive Moore's law or start flogging electrons and photons for not going fast enough.

I know (believe me, I know) that bandwidth is expensive, but I'm also pretty sure YouTube's margins leave plenty of room for competitors to come in with less-effective monetization schemes and still turn a profit. There's no reason a host couldn't put ads on videos hosted under some kind of free tier, after all. I'm quite sure we wouldn't end up with no free hosting. Worst case, I think it'd tend to be quality capped to SD-quality or something, and that's worst-case.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by judge2020 » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 6:58 PM UTC

_23sd wrote: post #40

The abuse of this system is only going to get worse as high profile cases like Bungie's [1] highlight how exploitable it is, even against big companies. It seems to me, as an outsider to YouTube's systems, that the system of "copyright strikes" (which is not prescribed by the DMCA, it's a more recent demand concocted by MPAA and RIAA lawyers) has caused a lot of harm to good faith creators while determined infringers…

> the system of "copyright strikes" (which is not prescribed by the DMCA, it's a more recent demand concocted by MPAA and RIAA lawyers)

The Bungie case was regarding actual DMCA takedown requests.

So was the Lofi girl stream given "takedown notice" and how it contributes to the 3-strike system: https://twitter.com/lofigirl/status/1546058721792507906?s=20

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by zdragnar » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 6:59 PM UTC

code51 wrote: post #82

ecshafer wrote: post #41

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If the amount is low enough you can sue them in small claims court in the US, which the amount is dependent on the state. Small claims court is geared more towards people self defending.

I'm not based in US so even contacting a lawyer about this thing is expensive. Lawyers here are not willing to handle international cases except big business cases.

This may not apply to where you are, but you really don't need a lawyer for small claims courts in the US, since the monetary values are relatively small.

That said, I'd be surprised if your court system required you to lawyer up for every (relatively) small contract infringement- contracts essentially become pointless for anything less than 20 hours of billable time from a lawyer.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by Goronmon » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:00 PM UTC

corrral wrote: post #49

slillibri wrote: post #33

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In theory that would be great, but video is in general much larger than audio. There would be no way for many channels to even get started, given the costs involved. I expect most people getting started on YouTube would be driven out of business simply by the bandwidth costs alone.

I'm confident hosts would step in to make money if YouTube's monopoly on combo hosting+discovery were broken. Folks tend to like making money. No reason they couldn't put their own ads on the videos, like YouTube does, to cover costs for creators who want free hosting. All kinds of angles to provide free hosting to feed the ol' marketing funnel, just like all kinds of other hosts, like limiting quality (so, drastical…

I'm confident hosts would step in to make money if YouTube's monopoly on combo hosting+discovery were broken. Folks tend to like making money. No reason they couldn't put their own ads on the videos, like YouTube does, to cover costs for creators who want free hosting.

Who is buying these ads on this new video site that no one is using yet?

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by kzrdude » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

buzzwords wrote: post #6

YT couldn't care less if creators are unhappy with anything at the moment. There is no real competition, so creators have to just deal with it. I hope for a real competition, where there will be a mass exodus.

Nebula is the competition, right? But it's used as an add-on, not replacement of youtube right now.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by kzrdude » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

tmountain wrote: post #5

It's a pretty terrible situation for folks that build their livelihood curating a channel to have to accept the risk that their channel could be taken down at any moment due to a false positive regarding copyright violation. Making matters worse, it sounds like there's no real recourse beyond taking your grievance onto social media and hoping your channel has enough clout to get Youtube's attention. In this case, it…

In established society, the defence should be that some of the aggrieved channels take Youtube to court, right? Has that ever happened?

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by lovehashbrowns » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:18 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #13

BudaDude wrote: post #8

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This is becoming less true, TikTok is a major competitor. Yeah there is Youtube shorts, but its largely just reuploaded TikTok videos.

I’m delighted to see that people are recognizing what a threat tiktok poses. I don’t blame people for being skeptical. It’s easy to forget that big companies die due to being transcended, not replaced. The YouTube killer won’t look anything like YouTube, and tiktok fits that bill nicely. Case in point: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR2KUDn8/?k=1 Google is realizing how bad it is that they can’t index TikToks, the same wa…

Oh damn, that’s something I’ve never even considered before. I didn’t even think of using TikTok as a search engine.

Damn, I was legitimately trying to not sign up for TikTok but if it can actually beat out Google in a search for terms like that, that’s actually huge

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by corrral » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

Goronmon wrote: post #104

corrral wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confident hosts would step in to make money if YouTube's monopoly on combo hosting+discovery were broken. Folks tend to like making money. No reason they couldn't put their own ads on the videos, like YouTube does, to cover costs for creators who want free hosting. All kinds of angles to provide free hosting to feed the ol' marketing funnel, just like all kinds of other hosts, like limiting quality (so, drastical…

I'm confident hosts would step in to make money if YouTube's monopoly on combo hosting+discovery were broken. Folks tend to like making money. No reason they couldn't put their own ads on the videos, like YouTube does, to cover costs for creators who want free hosting. Who is buying these ads on this new video site that no one is using yet?

You posit the alternative, that no-one would figure out how to make money off this market? I find that implausible. If we take that objection aside, the question looks a lot like "how does a business possibly start?" which... well, look at the site we're on.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by nmz » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

buzzwords wrote: post #6

YT couldn't care less if creators are unhappy with anything at the moment. There is no real competition, so creators have to just deal with it. I hope for a real competition, where there will be a mass exodus.

There's plenty of competition for music streaming, internet radio is easy to find, the only impediment is installing VLC and finding a stream. which if you know how to google is easy enough.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by SapporoChris » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

mirashii wrote: post #2

From a tweet: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1546419223466999809#m > & thx for your patience as we sorted it out But they haven't really sorted it out, have they? False copyright strike claims have been plaguing creators for years. This is just another case of someone needing social media and a huge reach or an inside connection to Google employees to get human eyes on a situation and "resolve" it, with no re…

Yes, they absolutely have not sorted it out. However, currently when you're working for a social media company this sort of behavior while not normal, has to be accounted for.

I wish I could be more sympathetic, there are people sharing information and entertainment on youtube that is priceless. But they're working for a faulty employer with a poor history of worker rights. Worker beware.