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Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by EGreg »

jjoonathan wrote: post #80
blantonl wrote: post #70

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What a pretty picture capitalism is.

“Give us all your data for free.” “They ‘trust me’, dumb fucks.”

https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a19490586/mark-zucker...

Proceeds to build entire business on this data…

“You can’t scrape us!”

LinkedIn tried this:

https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/court-rules-that-da...

And it’s not like capitalist enterprises even try to be consistent in their legal complaints:

https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/14/apple-calls-out-meta-for-hypo...

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by ConstantVigil »

blantonl wrote: post #70
iandanforth wrote: post #59

Collecting the rhetorical BS: "scraping attacks" Scraping is not an attack. Monopolists want to pretend they own your data because they get unlimited access to monetize it whereas competitors should have none. "self-compromised" Monopolists want to sell you thus it's imperative they maintain the fiction of "one person, one account". By admitting you own your account, they'd have to allow sharing and they wouldn't be…

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> I love to hate on Meta, but their actions here are spot on and make my morning very enjoyable as I sip my cup of coffee.

You might want to reassess your intelligence there friend. It seems to be suffering from a common form of cogntive dissonance combined with some form of confirmation bias.

How so?

Well you clearly don't like scraping, otherwise you wouldn't be agreeing with a criminal... So there's the confirmation bias...

Which is also the cognitive dissonance part. You clearly don't like Meta/Zuckerberg by your own admission; but you are agreeing with a empty rhetoric attack against people who are smart enough to make use of Zuckerbergs terrible security practices...

Do you not see the problem in this?

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by neya »

Evil Big Co. that literally STEALS people's personal information everywhere they go even after they've indicated they want to be left alone is now offended when someone does the same to them?

Well, color me surprised /s

Fuck Facebook. Meta. Or whatever you want to call it.

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by romanovcode »

> Meta is an industry leader in taking legal action to protect people from scraping and exposing these types of services, which provide scraping as a service across multiple websites.

Sure, as long as Meta is not the one selling the data to Cambridge Analytica it's wrong.

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

gfodor wrote: post #57
saddlerustle wrote: post #42

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Users make information available on facebook with the expectation that they are able to later control access to it (other than the obvious threat model of screenshotting, etc). This is violating that expectation and thus their privacy.

This is a false expectation and it’s important people learn this.

They’ll stop posting in the way they currently enjoy and will, therefore, have lost some freedom. Great outcome!

In other news: your partner may also leak your most intimate secrets. I hope they do, to teach you a lesson?

Every trust can be betrayed. Why do you believe a world without trust would be better? Only because you cannot handle the nuance of different levels of trust?

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by blantonl »

kordlessagain wrote: post #86
blantonl wrote: post #70

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I've reread the previous comment and I really don't see where there is any justification stated for acting in an unethical manner. While Facebook may be making an argument against unethical behavior by a few, using the language they do is detrimental to legitimate uses of crawling content available on the Web. Corporations, by nature, work in a way that individuals at those companies don't. They are literally "non-co…

We should all be wary of corporate control and claim to rights built from their user base, especially if those services are offered for "free".

That's fine then. And I agree with you. But leave you with this.

Do. Not. Give. The. Company. Your. Data.

They are literally "non-corporal" entities and work toward increasing profit and stakeholder value

Again, I agree. But if you think this is a bad thing, then you don't believe in capitalism, and I'm not quite sure what the intention is to argue this point on a platform (HN) that encourages the most basic forms of capitalism - starting up companies with innovative technology and solutions.

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by 14 »

blantonl wrote: post #70
iandanforth wrote: post #59

Collecting the rhetorical BS: "scraping attacks" Scraping is not an attack. Monopolists want to pretend they own your data because they get unlimited access to monetize it whereas competitors should have none. "self-compromised" Monopolists want to sell you thus it's imperative they maintain the fiction of "one person, one account". By admitting you own your account, they'd have to allow sharing and they wouldn't be…

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Sorry but there are many legitimate reasons to scrape a website. Price manipulation is one example. Because of scraping we know Amazon does things like price gouging and raising prices right before they go on “sale”. Scraping can be very useful for researchers to monitor trends and find correlations. It’s not just about bad guys stealing personal information. There are far to many legitimate uses that banning scraping would be a bad thing.

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by basetwojesus »

blantonl wrote: post #70
iandanforth wrote: post #59

Collecting the rhetorical BS: "scraping attacks" Scraping is not an attack. Monopolists want to pretend they own your data because they get unlimited access to monetize it whereas competitors should have none. "self-compromised" Monopolists want to sell you thus it's imperative they maintain the fiction of "one person, one account". By admitting you own your account, they'd have to allow sharing and they wouldn't be…

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Regardless, it’s very rich that a company like meta is mad that they’re being beat at their own game (making money off of data that they obtained through shady means).

Re: Taking action against scraping for hire

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Post by matthewmacleod »

blantonl wrote: post #70
iandanforth wrote: post #59

Collecting the rhetorical BS: "scraping attacks" Scraping is not an attack. Monopolists want to pretend they own your data because they get unlimited access to monetize it whereas competitors should have none. "self-compromised" Monopolists want to sell you thus it's imperative they maintain the fiction of "one person, one account". By admitting you own your account, they'd have to allow sharing and they wouldn't be…

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Nah, you are straight-up wrong. In fact, it’s the opposite - the only companies who are scared of scraping are the ones whose business models rely on artificial lock-in, and we should all be working as hard as we can to demolish them.
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