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New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by userbinator »

varajelle wrote: post #86

Most comments in this thread comments on the fact that Europeans are loosing their freedom do speed, and that they will not be able to drive fast. But that's just the title of an Australian website. In the article, and in the actual law, this is just about a *warning* to the driver, that can optionally be coupled with the cruise control, and that *can be overridden* by the driver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell…

First it's optional.

Then they make it increasingly harder to disable.

Then they make it mandatory.

Surely everyone who has experienced abusive changes in software can see that pattern from a mile away?

They aren't going to roast the frog, but instead boil it very slowly...

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by standardUser »

samatman wrote: post #52
Raed667 wrote: post #3

There is absolutely no reason any road car should be able to (consistently) drive faster than ~150km/h

Why not? There are roads without speed limits, both public and private, and drivers capable of driving safely above that speed. Driving really fast doesn't happen to be my hobby, but I see the appeal.

For one, it's grotesquely fuel inefficient.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

#103

Post by Raed667 »

userbinator wrote: post #99
ABeeSea wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But have you considered how much fun breaking the speed limit is?

I know you intended it to be a bit of a throwaway comment, but I think you hit on something very fundamental and human which explains why everyone is so outraged by things like this: taking risks is part of life, the thrill is the enjoyment. That's what true freedom feels like... and also responsibility, since if you mess up, you also face the consequences. Things like this take away not only freedom but also normali…

How about my freedom to go about my day without having to worry that someone decided they wanted to take a "risk" that moment?

Commute is supposed to be efficient, boring and predictable. Not a thrill ride, there are sport tracks for that.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by standardUser »

onionisafruit wrote: post #83
Raed667 wrote: post #3

There is absolutely no reason any road car should be able to (consistently) drive faster than ~150km/h

Have you ever been on I-10 in west Texas or New Mexico? Nothing but straight, flat blacktop and little traffic. 150km/h (93 mph for my fellow Americans) is kind of slow for that stretch. Granted it is 8 mph above the posted speed limit, but nobody really pays attention to that.

I have made plenty of long distance drives through some of the flattest and most desolate parts of this country and I have never seen cars going anywhere close to 100mph on average. Mostly 80's to 90's. One huge reason for that is fuel efficiency, which is dogshit even at 90mph. The other is that most cars really don't handle great past 90. And another is that you're far more likely to end up a fine bloody mist if you do happen to collide at that speed. Not likely, sure, but those speeds also come with vastly reduced reaction times.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

#105

Post by userbinator »

Raed667 wrote: post #103
userbinator wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you intended it to be a bit of a throwaway comment, but I think you hit on something very fundamental and human which explains why everyone is so outraged by things like this: taking risks is part of life, the thrill is the enjoyment. That's what true freedom feels like... and also responsibility, since if you mess up, you also face the consequences. Things like this take away not only freedom but also normali…

How about my freedom to go about my day without having to worry that someone decided they wanted to take a "risk" that moment? Commute is supposed to be efficient, boring and predictable. Not a thrill ride, there are sport tracks for that.

That's not called freedom --- it's cowardice, the state of being afraid to live. Maybe making you too scared to do anything without government permission is the end game of stuff like this.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by akomtu »

stefan_ wrote: post #79
joebob42 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that it's almost never correct to drive the speed limit. In the US at least they are almost universally slower than the natural speed of the road by 5-10 mph and everyone speeds a bit all the time.

Things must be crashing and burning over there in California with all the driverless cars. Or you know, cars will just go the speed limit, 10 years from now and you won't even remember your brain simulated a shitty PID controller to hit some speed number subject to your irrational whims.

They won't. The rich won't let you dictate how fast they can go, so ferraris will be exempt. The upper classes will 'illegaly' turn off the limiter on their teslas 250d, but no sane sheriff will dare to enforce the law here. Middle class will be loosely complaint, the same way they observe the speed limit laws today. Only the lower classes will have no choice but to drive the 'chopper cars'.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

#107

Post by userbinator »

standardUser wrote: post #102
samatman wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? There are roads without speed limits, both public and private, and drivers capable of driving safely above that speed. Driving really fast doesn't happen to be my hobby, but I see the appeal.

For one, it's grotesquely fuel inefficient.

I'll be as inefficient as I want, because I'm paying for my own fuel.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by worewood »

ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #84
lvass wrote: post #9

So all cars will be susceptible to "phantom braking" due to a bug or worse? I really dislike this, and living in the third world I can already imagine fake road signs being used to decelerate and rob cars.

I'm not sure why this is the consistent take. We have e-scooters and bikes with limiters on speed, why would this be materially different than cars? It's not like it needs to slam on the brake, it just needs to disengage acceleration past a certain speed. This isn't new grounds for tech and it is _currently_ deployed on our streets. I'm not sure what the panic over this is, if anything this is a good thing - why shou…

The limits on ebikes are to prevent battery and motor overheating and catching fire.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by theodorejb »

bathtub365 wrote: post #98
lvass wrote: post #9

So all cars will be susceptible to "phantom braking" due to a bug or worse? I really dislike this, and living in the third world I can already imagine fake road signs being used to decelerate and rob cars.

Where do you see that in the article? It doesn’t mention anything about braking.

> When ISA detects the car is over the limit, it may induce visual and audible warnings, as well as haptic feedback through the steering wheel or throttle pedal, or it may begin accelerating the vehicle if no action is taken.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

#110

Post by DerekL »

varajelle wrote: post #86

Most comments in this thread comments on the fact that Europeans are loosing their freedom do speed, and that they will not be able to drive fast. But that's just the title of an Australian website. In the article, and in the actual law, this is just about a *warning* to the driver, that can optionally be coupled with the cruise control, and that *can be overridden* by the driver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell…

*losing
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