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Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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After Wheel of Time my expectations are so incredibly low, if it still manages to disappoint I will be impressed. I'm expecting a shitshow and a shitstorm of epic proportions.

I'm expecting a 465 million dollar joke about the ease of delivering products to Mordor using Amazon's infrastructure. If not in live action then at least as an advertising campaign based in supporting material.

Stop giving them ideas!

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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That percentage based rebate incentivizes accounting shenanigans to make it look as expensive as possible, who knows how many salaries included in that number Amazon was paying anyway, no matter if they would have produced that show or not.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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Considering there's not a single relevant main stream actor, director or writer on the team. I don't understand where they're spending the money on. Can't wait to see it, but my expectations cannot go lower

There’s talent out there beyond celebrities and movie stars.

But that talent comes cheaper, where is this $400MM going?

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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Considering there's not a single relevant main stream actor, director or writer on the team. I don't understand where they're spending the money on. Can't wait to see it, but my expectations cannot go lower

There’s talent out there beyond celebrities and movie stars.

There’s great talent, but they don’t command large fees. So GP’s question stands.

They aren’t spending money on actors and writers, so where is the money going? That’s a lot of spirit gum.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOTR, and also Peter Jackson are not compatible with modern media. LOTR is completely opposed storytelling wise to the current dogmas of postmodernism and equity, it's fundamentally a story based on old western/european/christian myths, basically what gets called white supremacy these days. I think this will turn out to be an absolute morbid tv series as it will force LOTR into the current dogmas, but this is probabl…

Never thought I’d live to see the day where people would unironically call equity dogma. But here we are. What a sad state of affairs.

This usage of equity is, what, five years old? Does something that new really call for an “I never thought I’d live to see the day”?

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equity means equality of outcome, basically meaning you believe every person is equal in their results. This is religious dogma, because it's just not true. We are not the same, and you will always have differences in outcome in society. If you cannot see this, you are trapped in religious level dogmatic thinking. (PS: if you want to talk about equality, which we might perhaps call equality of opportunity, I'm all fo…

A charitable interpretation of what you call modern dogma is that people acknowledge that we're not all the same (that's what diversity is about, I think), but that the differences aren't predicted by gender or race or culture or whatever. That is of course also not very compatible with LotR.

If they're not predicted by gender or race, then why do companies need 50% women? The very fact that that is a goal, means you do not believe these aren't predicted by race or gender, but that they are, and if you don't have 50% employees you are discriminating.

Of course the people in favour also say what you just said, which just shows how completely conflicting their views are.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

#108

> New Zealand, where the show is shooting I think they’ve switched to England and Wales haven’t they? Which is probably closer to the author’s inspirations (Tolkien never set foot in New Zealand.)

> Which is probably closer to the author’s inspirations (Tolkien never set foot in New Zealand.)

Yes. A youthful walking holiday in the Alps was also a source of inspiration.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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Obviously, I’ll wait and see once it comes out. But it seems odd to spend so much and not have a single established creator that has put out great content. And not to involve Jackson seems off because even having him in a consulting role would be a good sign. Looking at the imdb page this seems like a corporate driven project rather than a creator driven project with lots of different directors that haven’t don’t any…

While I'm not particularly looking forward to this series, having rather unknown actors isn't putting me off at all. And why shouldn't they go with directors they are happy with? TV series often have a lot of different directors, often directing just a single episode of a season or even a series.

OP was simply pointing out that by the looks of it, the new series will not be helmed by any Auteur. Peter Jackson was a modern auteur and people's expectations for LotR have been set by his distinct style.

Re: Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Rings series

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post #27
post #4

I’m not so sure the LOTR series is ideal for expansion. It feels like Peter Jackson has already tackled all the really interesting parts of the LOTR world.

The better question is whether it's possible to create a LotR representation with even a shred of the original's soul. Chris Tolkien hated the Jackson trilogy, and then see how much further modern market demands pushed The Hobbit's execution. I don't want to see what another ten years of compromises and pandering will do to the product.

Christopher Tolkein was hopelessly grumpy (or protective, depending on your perspective) about anyone doing anything with his father's works.

Personally, as a fan of Tolkein's works, I thought LoTR was fine. I didn't necessarily agree with all of Jackon's decisions, but, in the end, I enjoyed watching the movies (and still do). The Hobbit films are a different beast, for sure.

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