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That won't work for young kids if the parents have to go to work by 9.
If a high schooler needs to be driven to school by their parent, there is a serious street safety/transit problem which should be solved.
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What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about start times that negatively impacts everything else (after school activities, jobs, parent schedules, etc). "Schools shouldn't be forcing developing humans into a schedule that impairs their ability to learn and function, n…
> What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. As someone that has sleep issues that deviate vastly from the norm, I empathize with this point, but it doesn't really mean much when it comes to designing policy, which is supposed to serve its demographic broadly. > Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about sta…
Which the current times do.
"The rule being set by the state or by the local school district is hardly of consequence."
This is totally untrue. At the district level, parents have more say in creating the rules that work for them (their local demographic!).
"You're okay with painting broad strokes about parents' lives but then make an argument about individual students."
Either one is broad. I'm pointing out that the very argument you make can be used against the position you're defending.
Nothing will change. Kids will just take advantage of the late start by staying up even later.
I dont understand this either. Yes teenagers are tired in the morning and hard to get out of bed. My daughter and her friends go to bed at midnight, 1am, often later.
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If you can't trust a highschool aged kid to go to school on their own, early start times aren't going to change anything. Heck, you can drive them to the building and watch them walk inside and they'll just walk right out the back. Delinquent kids dgaf. Now for the not totally delinquent but still up for sketchy borderline behaviour kids, finishing early and having couple hours between the end of class and when their…
If the kids really have a hard time waking up (the point t of this law), then it's possible they over sleep. Many parents might not be comfortable with their kid cooking breakfast unsupervised too. If they're in after school activities and/or have a job, then it seem unlikely that they would get into trouble anyways. Pushing the time back will make these after school activities unfeasible for many, and limit opportun…
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If the kids really have a hard time waking up (the point t of this law), then it's possible they over sleep. Many parents might not be comfortable with their kid cooking breakfast unsupervised too. If they're in after school activities and/or have a job, then it seem unlikely that they would get into trouble anyways. Pushing the time back will make these after school activities unfeasible for many, and limit opportun…
I'm failing to reconcile the image of a hypothetical teenager who is both so irresponsible and incompetent that you can't trust them to get up or make breakfast on their own without burning down the house while simultaneously being capable of having an after school job. If you can't leave them unsupervised in the mornings, surely they can't be left alone after school either. Net net, there's going to be some time the…
After school has after school activities. It also typically means they don't need to cook if the parents are home for dinner.
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> why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. I've always heard teenagers need more sleep than younger kids. I've never actually verified this claim. In my area it's the opposite, and the reason is simple: high schoolers don't need childcare. > School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they can enjoy longer break in spring and fall, where outdoor weath…
It may not be that teenagers need more sleep rather that it’s harder for them to get enough sleep because they don’t have someone else controlling their sleep schedule like children do.
8:30 or later. Good. I say start it at 10. Let the kids sleep in and be happier for it.
I never understand the schedule for schools: 1. elementary school starts at 7:30AM, middle school at 8:20, high school at 9:10 here. So, the youngest kid gets up at 6:50AM, older ones at 7:50AM, oldest at 8:40(assuming you're not too far from school that is). why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. 2. School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they…
I've heard that adolescents'/early adults' biological clocks skew later. In my cohort, there are lots of parents annoyed that early elementary school kids wake up before them on weekends. Adolescents on the other hand are notorious for sleeping in. Anecdotes don't make data, but I've heard second hand that data backs up these stereotypes. Supposedly Summer break is so that kids can help with harvests on family farms.
With the pandemic and WFH I shifted much closer to my natural schedule.
We're officially back in the office now, but nobody is really taking attendance so I get up at around 11, do some email while I eat breakfast, then head in to the office until about 6pm. I'm still getting as much or more done as I ever did, because I was too tired to be effective when I was coming in at 8:00 and basically just stared at the screen for two or three hours until I really woke up.
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If a high schooler needs to be driven to school by their parent, there is a serious street safety/transit problem which should be solved.
I think the bigger issue is unsupervised minors. Not all high schoolers are mature enough to be left alone and go to school. I suppose this could be solved by pre-care, but that make this bill completely moot.
That's insane. I walked to school at 6. At 8, I walked to the bus stop and rode a public transit bus to school. The helicoptering has gone way to far and it is creating generations of crippled kids. I wonder if this is solely caused by the media pushing fear or if there are other factors.
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Could we just stop? Please? I know it's cool to talk shit about Americans constantly but it gets old. I want to expect better from HN. > The American obsession with helicoptering their kids all the way through their first job is super weird and unhealthy. My kids, along with many others, were getting themselves to & from school without my supervision starting in third grade. Earlier, even, for my son since his sister…
I’m American and I’ve seen enough helicopter stupidity over the years to be confident saying it’s a problem. Is it the norm? Maybe not. But it’s common enough to be a thing.