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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by don-code »

wyager wrote: post #40
ripley12 wrote: post #24

I'm not religious but I've always liked this; it's fun to think of the SQLite developers as a small monastery. If monasteries can produce beer for the world (see: the Trappists), why not software?

If software engineering was available as a monastic vocation, we'd probably have a lot of significantly higher-quality software available. I would much rather use something written by a stylite with an esolang compiler than shat out by 100 poorly-coordinated javascript devs at MEGACORP.

You may enjoy reading Neal Stephenson's _Anathem_.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

wyager wrote: post #40
ripley12 wrote: post #24

I'm not religious but I've always liked this; it's fun to think of the SQLite developers as a small monastery. If monasteries can produce beer for the world (see: the Trappists), why not software?

If software engineering was available as a monastic vocation, we'd probably have a lot of significantly higher-quality software available. I would much rather use something written by a stylite with an esolang compiler than shat out by 100 poorly-coordinated javascript devs at MEGACORP.

I dunno about monastic programming getting a lot of takers. Don't forget that there's usually a vow of poverty involved; fully loaded Macbook Pros or decked out 16 core Threadripper workstations are not part of the picture.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ksherlock »

jimbob45 wrote: post #60
molyss wrote: post #11

seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…

Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing. I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.

Every time you come home and the SQLite developers aren't having sex with your wife, you should appreciate their code of Ethics. What other software makes that promise? Heck, Oracle probably probably upcharges, $500,000 or more for a 6-9s no adultery support plan (and that still gives them 52 minutes a year to commit adultery with your wife!)

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by celticninja »

formerly_proven wrote: post #43
molyss wrote: post #11

seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…

> No one is forcing their beliefs onto anyone. keep the pitchforks in the shed. I don't want a solution, I want to be mad.

Reddit is that way ->

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by isitmadeofglass »

jhgb wrote: post #69
jimbob45 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing. I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.

> makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing ...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"?

> ...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"?

Now hear here miss, while true that the board of directors are all men, and have been so for 5 decades, we reject any notion of sexism as we clearly have here a document which states that “We believe men are superior to women, but we do not require employees to hold this belief…” also it’s voluntary and a compete coincidence that all employees have voluntarily vowed that they agree to this and that all employees are also male. It can’t be sexist since we do not force anyone to agree to do anything.

Hope the context shift makes it a bit easier to see why some people might call this suspicious.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by CoastalCoder »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #18

Before I got to talk with Richard, I found many things online about his Christian values and public domain license and how odd it was. And I thought this was THE fascinating thing about Richard that led to the database and other things. But then I talked to him. He's a great engineer but a regular guy running a business around a thing he built. He gets to be a bit whimsical because he can. He can use his own source c…

Hey Adam, I just started listening to your podcast and I just finished that episode.

You did a great job, and it was really informative. Thanks for making it!

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by smoe »

ripley12 wrote: post #94
smoe wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The founder of SQLite and all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability. Sure, as far as I'm aware code of conducts/ethics only ever apply to contributors, no-one has beliefs being forced upon them. But that seems to be about the highest bar of entry for an interested developer I have seen in any project. Not waving pitchforks here, I'm fine with them having this…

SQLite generally doesn't accept contributions. "Open-Source, not Open-Contribution" https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html

Even when not accepting outside contributions, to fulfill their long term support commitment through 2050, they might have to make changes to their current core team.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by duxup »

quinnjh wrote: post #19

At a time of decaying social bonds, cultural fragmentation, and no consensus reality, i would much rather work somewhere with an explicit code like this than the countless "we are good people" places that will never define what "being good people" is until they are on the opposite side of a courtroom. Having shared values is very important for a team.

I like the idea of such a code. But at the same time I see religions with that or similar codes and the folks following it seem just as interested in ignoring it or twisting it as a way to push on those not in their religion.

Now I don’t think that’s the sql lite folks and plenty of folks don’t do that thing… but just a splash of religion doesn’t make me feel much better about anything.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by [deleted] »

hobo_mark wrote: post #35
racl101 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SQLite: "When my mother was abducted by the Communists, she was with child.... but the Communists, they put an end to that! So, on this issue there is no debate! And no intelligent person can think differently."

According to the Search Engine, that's a quote from Seinfeld, nothing to do with SQLite. https://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheCouch.html

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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by vinyl7 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #67
thrown_22 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember the code of conduct push overnight on all open source projects. It was such a bizarre time. What's worse is that pretty much everyone folded.

What would you consider the best response to the desire for clear boundaries and expectations from project communities?

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"
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