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Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by martin_a »

BoumTAC wrote: post #7
bathory wrote: post #2

Looking at the in-app purchase on iOS in Europe, the price seems to be about EUR 5.50 which I find to be quite steep, for these kinds of features. I've been wanting to support TG's development for a while now, but I would have hoped that this would be more in the vicinity of 1-3 Euros per month.

I think that's the main issue with those small subscriptions. We don't have an American salary here. I would happily pay for Telegram premium for 2-3€/month and have only a third of the features they propose. But 5-10€ for every service like this becomes expensive at the end of the month. I have the same issue with hey.com email provider, but they are too expensive too. I would love to have an email service provider…

I'm starting to feel spammy because I say that everytime it comes up, but have a look at hetzner.de or sth. alike.

Their smallest webhosting package is 1,90 €/month and comes with your own domain. Configuration is done through their web-based interface, so no CLI fiddling and nothing.

I think that's a good deal, you could even run your own NextCloud on that package, if you want to. That way you get a CalDav server, so you can ditch Google Calendar and Contacts, if you want to.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by kriops »

fritigern wrote: post #81
milansuk wrote: post #68

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All HTTPS connections(most of web browsing last decade) are encrypted to and from the server. Signal showed us that is possible to have E2E encrypted messaging, why don't they provide it, but with better UI/UX? If Telegram doesn't read messages and doesn't provide access for 3rd parties(governments, etc.), It should provide E2E everywhere by default.

Can you get E2EE and also have multiple devices all sync'd? This is awful in Signal, it barely works to have multiple devices.

Yes, see Matrix. And imo generally better UX than Telegram on account of having a large selection of clients.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by [deleted] »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #73
izacus wrote: post #58

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Pretty much none of the features mentioned here have anything to do with E2EE security. How did you even try to get to such conclusion (besides really really trying to use it as a segway into your encryption rant)?!

I'm actually very opposing this e2ee everywhere crowd, because we're developing an XMPP app and we're annoyed to death by people who demanding us (ordering even!) to deliver them encryption above anything else and always asking this as a first question. The comment was more related to a puzzling observation that a really serious promise of security makes people more happy than actual security. Why bother with providi…

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Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by danpalmer »

the_third_wave wrote: post #53
danpalmer wrote: post #24

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https://backlinko.com/telegram-users#telegram-popularity-in-... If this stat is to be trusted Telegram is the 2nd most popular messaging app in the UK. There must be an awful lot of anti-lockdown protestors, anti-vax groups, anti-semitic, far-right, and so on in that country to make is so popular. By the way, where do the far-left extremists go for their messaging needs? Are they on Whatsapp? Signal? Telegram maybe?…

Firstly, I think there are a lot of people on the fringe of the extremist groups. Maybe they are only in a "concerned parents" group who talk about vaccines, but it's an on-ramp.

Secondly, I think there are methodological issues with that analysis. Measuring by App Store categories is hard to do accurately, only presents a snapshot in time, its numbers that fluctuate a lot, and it only represents new user acquisition, not active user growth. I wouldn't trust this number at all without more information. Anecdotally, I don't know anyone who uses Telegram, although I do know many people who downloaded it once.

> where do the far-left extremists go

This isn't really something we have a problem with in the UK. I'm sure there are some, but the bulk of our issues are growing far-right, nationalist, and/or authoritarian groups. I don't think a debate over terms is going to be productive, and as this is your third account you might want to be careful with it!

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by danpalmer »

hirako2000 wrote: post #47
danpalmer wrote: post #24

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Censorsip is censorship whether we like the censored or not. Anti lockdown, and anti vax were (mostly illegally) censored, cancelled, stigmatised by governments and other public institutions, is that not good to have tech available that guarantees privacy? Whether those who wish anonymity and privacy are truely actively censored is irrelevant.

We absolutely need tech that enables true privacy. I use Signal and strongly believe it should exist.

I'm not saying that censorship hasn't happened, and I'm not saying I think it should. What I'm saying is that there are a bunch of related groups who are very misinformed about free speech and censorship, and they seem to have flocked to Telegram.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by dom96 »

rg111 wrote: post #70

Many people are asking what are in Telegram that aren’t anywhere else? I can provide some answers. Telegram is my primary chat app. - It offers you to simply share an alphanumeric handle and you can connect with anyone in the world. I can do a voice chat or normal chat really quickly and easily. It is the only famous truly Instant Messenger there is. And I can do it without sharing my name (unlike FB), email address,…

> I like the lack of E2EE. I just like logging in and having access to all my chats. I don't have to be with the same device to be on the same chat.

Same. I've seen enough people get burned by losing messages because of the E2EE of WhatsApp to prefer to use Messenger and/or Telegram.

> - Developing bots is a bliss. So easy and effective.

Reason I am using Telegram more these days. I'm house hunting and needed a way for my scraping script to notify me and my partner about houses that the script finds: Telegram works perfectly for this. Just create a private chat group and send a HTTP request to Telegram.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by weberer »

fartcannon wrote: post #46
fritigern wrote: post #38

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> Is Dubai a place with good protection against government pressure? Depends on the government :) The German government has been throwing a temper tantrum and threatening to bad Telegram because Telegram doesn't respond to data requests from German police and spies.

So they don't give it to Germany, that's good. Do they give it to Dubai's government?

If they don't, people with guns show up.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by izacus »

Macha wrote: post #83
rg111 wrote: post #70

Many people are asking what are in Telegram that aren’t anywhere else? I can provide some answers. Telegram is my primary chat app. - It offers you to simply share an alphanumeric handle and you can connect with anyone in the world. I can do a voice chat or normal chat really quickly and easily. It is the only famous truly Instant Messenger there is. And I can do it without sharing my name (unlike FB), email address,…

> - It offers you to simply share an alphanumeric handle and you can connect with anyone in the world. I can do a voice chat or normal chat really quickly and easily. It is the only famous truly Instant Messenger there is. And I can do it without sharing my name (unlike FB), email address, or phone number (unlike WApp). Has this changed? Last time I looked, you needed a phone number to sign up.

While you MAY need a number to sign up, you don't need to GIVE your number to other people so you can communicate with them over the service.
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