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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by traveler01 »

mrtksn wrote: post #96
traveler01 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with you and as a developer I find way more issues with Safari than with Chrome/Firefox/Edge. Also, what matters in a browser it's the engine. If it's always WebKit and you find a issue or something else in iOS you can switch the browser but the result will always be the same since Chrome and Firefox are forced to use WebKit. Chrome's engine it's Chromium which is open-source and used by other browsers…

Okay, check out Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Exterminate strategy and I hope you understand what's the problem of having a dominant platform that does it's own thing instead of abiding by the standards. Now Chrome is in the "Extend" stage and obviously you don't feel any pain but if Google chooses to take another step, then you will feel it. Maybe they never will do it but I simply don't want Google has the option to…

Google obviously has to gain by doing that, but not as much as Microsoft had. I mean, IE could run basically on one platform, which was Windows, so it makes sense Microsoft forced people to create dependency on IE.

I'm more concerned about Apple nowadays, they're doing everything to keep people locked down on their own ecosystem.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by zdragnar »

err4nt wrote: post #25

Being in web development since 2004, I both thought the day would never arrive, and would have arrived a lot sooner than 2022. Tech-wise, there were times when IE was advanced, often in non-standard ways, but it was innovative. There are other ways where it was a major thorn in the side of every web developer and required much extra attention and care. And yet, since about 2014 or 2015, the world of web standards had…

Back in the early 2010's, one of our more amusing interview questions for front-end developers was "What is your favorite thing about Internet Explorer?".

We never really used the answer against anyone if they couldn't think of anything, but the advent of XHR and other improvements offered was something a lot of developers had already forgotten about, and it was interesting to see various responses and reactions.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by kriro »

some-guy wrote: post #61
night-rider wrote: post #4

As the old meme goes: Internet Explorer was the first step to downloading Chrome or Firefox on a new computer.

The large enterprise outfit I work for has 8% IE11 usage still, almost all of which is in Korea. Our customers there go out of their way to not use Edge on their machines.

The question is why? I want to put on my tin foil hat and speculate about Korean knowledge of Edge 0-days (maybe North Korea is known to hoard those for some reason) but then again if you have edge 0-days it's probably trivial to get IE11 ones.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mrtksn »

traveler01 wrote: post #101
mrtksn wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, check out Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Exterminate strategy and I hope you understand what's the problem of having a dominant platform that does it's own thing instead of abiding by the standards. Now Chrome is in the "Extend" stage and obviously you don't feel any pain but if Google chooses to take another step, then you will feel it. Maybe they never will do it but I simply don't want Google has the option to…

Google obviously has to gain by doing that, but not as much as Microsoft had. I mean, IE could run basically on one platform, which was Windows, so it makes sense Microsoft forced people to create dependency on IE. I'm more concerned about Apple nowadays, they're doing everything to keep people locked down on their own ecosystem.

It's not obvious to me, Google has everything to gain by going evil. Google has power to choose how privacy will be managed, they can choose to kill Facebook(not that I'm fan of FB, but still).

Apple makes a lot of money but Apple is an underdog with it's tiny market share. Apple can and does evil stuff but it's nothing compared to the potential of Google.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

#105

Post by omnibrain »

Jaruzel wrote: post #78
isp wrote: post #21

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All versions of Windows Server are (for now) unaffected, i.e., Internet Explorer 11 continues to run [1]. There is also "Internet Explorer Mode" in Edge, which uses iexplore.exe under the hood. Additionally, if somebody were _really_ desperate to launch iexplore.exe itself, then there are unsupported means to do so. For example, via manually modifying the registry key "NotifyDisableIEOptions" under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE…

If one is desperate, there is also the option of the classic Webview control in Visual Studio (or even the old VB6 version) which with little bit of UI added around it, can substitute for the real IE for certain enterprise legacy webapps. A bit more effort, can also lock the control to only browse to the intended web service, and launch the default browser for any external links. There's kind of a market for this typ…

You can even use a registry key (per Application using the WebView control) to specify the function level/version to emulate.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #64
samwillis wrote: post #60

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The situation with Safari is nothing like what we had back in the IE6 days. It was like developing for multiple platforms, not just a multiple browsers. Thats not to say Safari isn’t dragging it’s heals, but it looks like Apple are finally ramping up development speed. I gather they have been expanding the Safari dev team, and the latest announcements at WWDC look really good. I actually use Safari as my primary brow…

In at least one way, it's worse. You have a large percentage of users (everyone on iOS) who is stuck using a single rendering engine (Safari's) and locked out of installing another one. Although you can install Firefox, Chrome, etc on iOS, it's still Safari's webkit engine underneath.

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by john567 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #33

First time I ever wanted to embed an image into a HN comment. This image is so fitting! https://i.imgur.com/MgGvQHH.png

This is so fitting because even if Microsoft is deprecating and giving up on this monstrosity the executable is still sitting there. Serving legacy web apps that should have been abandoned a long time ago...

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by traveler01 »

mrtksn wrote: post #104
traveler01 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google obviously has to gain by doing that, but not as much as Microsoft had. I mean, IE could run basically on one platform, which was Windows, so it makes sense Microsoft forced people to create dependency on IE. I'm more concerned about Apple nowadays, they're doing everything to keep people locked down on their own ecosystem.

It's not obvious to me, Google has everything to gain by going evil. Google has power to choose how privacy will be managed, they can choose to kill Facebook(not that I'm fan of FB, but still). Apple makes a lot of money but Apple is an underdog with it's tiny market share. Apple can and does evil stuff but it's nothing compared to the potential of Google.

What you fear from Google it's what Apple's already doing. With their new iOS 15 privacy settings they are hurting Facebook (and other companies that rely on your data pretty bad). I mean, I don't feel sorry for Facebook or whatever company profits from your private data, but you can see how damage Apple can already do.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by wonderbore »

Is this Groundhog Day? How many more times will IE be declared dead? Official support is irrelevant if the browser is still stubbornly used by users. Most websites have moved on more than 5 years ago.

This news is meaningless. This confirms it:

> For supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is installed.

From https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/internet-expl...

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