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"anti-vax" is a bad faith phrase that is intended to suggest that a person is against a vast range of science based medicine.

What is a neutral term?

I have been dealing with them in person in a clinical setting for a while now and struggle to see a non-negative side to the behaviour directed at myself and colleagues.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

Sadly there is lots of evidence that vaccines can kill people. Obviously, there's the primary reports from people saying "the vaccine killed someone I know" and the medical experts denying everything, e.g this 29 year old man: e.g. https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260 "On 06-Feb-2022, the patient received the 3rd vaccination with this vaccine. Pyrexia of 39 degrees Celsius developed. The patient too…

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Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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The problem is that they aren't afraid enough - otherwise they'd be pushing to bring this pandemic under control.

I’d rather bring under control people who are trying to prevent my children from having normal life. We all had Covid already (likely even twice). We are done with the theater. We don’t want to listen to scaremongering. We want to smile in public. We want to breathe freely. We don’t want or need any more boosters. If you like the restrictions, wear a mask, or just stay home permanently, I don’t care. Just don’t force…

There is a big policy space between "We are done with the theatre" and "literally faceless, anti-social dystopia".

Unfortunately many of the policies in that space will negatively effect powerful vested interests (see climate change, see health reform, see food standards, see police training, see banking, see...). Such vested interests have expended vast amounts of effort to convince the 'ordinary person' that nothing can be done - or equivalently, that the only things that would work would end our way of life as we know it. I'm sorry you seem to have been caught up in that.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

> Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers.

Only if those cancers are triggered specifically by Covid.

For most other cancers, we are likely going to see a time-shifted decrease in them.

The Covid lockdowns absolutely wiped out a flu season. Other viruses probably had similar profiles. We know that asthma went down more than expected from environmental triggers during Covid lockdowns. Continuing hygiene is likely to push down some viral transmission--for example, sick service employees who can't take a day off have their transmission significantly curtailed by corporate policies still mandating a mask.

Medicine is about to have a whole lot of information about things that are triggered by pathogens. The end conclusion is likely to be that we are FAR to cavalier about viral diseases.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

As a counterpoint, I got Covid Original Flavour(tm) and it gave me a fever of 103 for a little more than 2 weeks and took me way more than a year to fully recover. And, I know several folks who are younger than me that are now dead--and every version of Covid is represented in that cohort (mostly anti-vaxxers after Delta--take that as you will).

I'm glad your round of Russian roulette resulted in a blank.

However, personally, when it comes to Russian roulette, I prefer to not play at all.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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In my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there

I like how you phrased this, I feel like this is how people had to talk in times of heavy censorship and the fact we have to pass messages like this in this day and age is terrifying and makes the future seem bleak.

Vaccines have been in use for hundreds of years. Fear of vaccines isn't rational.

https://historyofvaccines.org/

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Sure, let's blame vaccines in a funny roundabout way, while conveniently ignoring the more probable cause that is COVID. The article seems to suggest that underreported COVID deaths are a likely explanation. You might want to consider broadening the scope of your investigation to include probable causes ...

Why is it fair to entertain speculation about underreported deaths and all kinds of long-tail effects of COVID the disease, but not fair to do the same speculation about the vaccines?

Vaccines have been in use for hundreds of years. Fear of vaccines isn't rational.

https://historyofvaccines.org/

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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As I posted a few times here in this area so far, vaccine fear isn't rational. It's also amazing to me that so many people who are against vaccines really think that people who are getting vaccinated have been manipulated to do so, but that their decision to avoid a vaccine is well-reasoned and not the result of manipulation by people with anti-vaccine sentiment who profit from spreading misinformation in society.

Here is a link that I have shared now with many people, including people I know who were against vaccines. It nudged a few people to get a covid vaccine.

https://historyofvaccines.org/

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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"anti-vax" is a bad faith phrase that is intended to suggest that a person is against a vast range of science based medicine.

That is your opinion stated as if it were a fact.

Here are facts:

Anti-vax is a shortening of the term anti-vaccination, and it is not a surprise to find that people who are 'anti-vax' are against vaccinations, and many of them actively try to recruit people to their cause of avoiding vaccines. Anti-vaccination is a highly accurate term.

I and many others who are pro-vax don't think that anti-vax people are against a vast range of science-based medicines. To the contrary, I am amazed at how many anti-vax people will smoke cigarettes (DNA poisons) and drink alcohol (DNA poison) and take antibiotics and blood pressure medicines and see a dentist and see a regular doctor. Not to mention that many who are against a covid vaccine have had many other vaccines. This selective position against vaccines and not other treatments only makes their anti-vax attitude appear even more irrational.

But if you want different word, then vaccine hysteria would be a good choice. Because that's what anti-vax attitudes have caused, and now a few hundred thousand people have died from it. Think of the damage all those avoidable deaths will cause for millions of people.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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There is a very strong anti-vax contingent on this website. It’s unfortunate given that you’d think appreciation for science and healthy, well reasoned skepticism would come naturally for technical professionals. Guess not.

Healthy well reasoned skepticism is exactly what leads to "anti-(COVID)-vax sentiment", because the data is not good. If you doubt that, just browse this thread with showdead turned on. The people pointing out that the vaccines could be causing this are all being killed. Probably this comment will be gone within minutes. Yet those comments are also providing evidence and citations. Meanwhile, the "pro-vax" comments a…

Hundreds of thousands of people are dead from vaccine refusal in the US and meanwhile on you talk about an appreciation for science and reason.
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